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Let me just stop you right here... because I already know where this is going, I already understand how you work here. It is useless wasting time and energy discussing this with you.
The operative word is FAITH.
Faith in the statements of Paul and Peter.
Faith in the testimony of God.
That's it.
But Paul told us to put our faith in nothing other than Jesus Christ for all things, so where did they say put our faith in the scriptures or the gospels and letters to the churches?.
You believe in God believe also ME, were the words of Jesus. Notice he did not say you believe in the scriptures believe also me, or you believe the scriptures are the word of God believe also me. Jesus Christ is the more sure word, thar is why his Father "said hear ye him", he said this from above, not from the scriptures, even though the scriptures testify of him. I repeat Jesus Christ and the scriptures are not the same
But Paul told us to put our faith in nothing other than Jesus Christ for all things, so where did they say put our faith in the scriptures or the gospels and letters to the churches?.
You believe in God believe also ME, were the words of Jesus. Notice he did not say you believe in the scriptures believe also me, or you believe the scriptures are the word of God believe also me. Jesus Christ is the more sure word, thar is why his Father "said hear ye him", he said this from above, not from the scriptures, even though the scriptures testify of him. I repeat Jesus Christ and the scriptures are not the same
If you say you support evangelical missionaries you already HAVE supported bills calling for punishment of gay people. Do you give to your church which gives to evangelical missionaries (or a denomination) some of whom have gone to Africa?
Wow that's a desperate statement to make me look bad. Btw, do you pay taxes? Well our taxes go to things like foreign aid to Saudi Arabia. It's a crime punishable by death in Saudi to be homosexual. Therefore you support bills calling for punishment of gay people. See how ridiculous your loose associations become?
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I didn't call a lot of people cold-hearted---I called YOU cold-hearted and uncompassionate.
And really, what do you gain by such ugly discourse? You don't know me personally so it's just baseless garbage. You certainly move the needle far away from me considering that you could be right in your beliefs.
Sad that your side just seems incapable of having a discussion without turning into personal attacks.
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And I guess you mean like the recent massacre in a place of worship by one of those on YOUR side, Mr. MySide guy?
The ones on my side seek to love God and our fellow human beings. We don't discriminate in that way unlike your side.
But Paul told us to put our faith in nothing other than Jesus Christ for all things, so where did they say put our faith in the scriptures or the gospels and letters to the churches?.
You believe in God believe also ME, were the words of Jesus. Notice he did not say you believe in the scriptures believe also me, or you believe the scriptures are the word of God believe also me. Jesus Christ is the more sure word, thar is why his Father "said hear ye him", he said this from above, not from the scriptures, even though the scriptures testify of him. I repeat Jesus Christ and the scriptures are not the same
The Scriptures are the written Word of God, identified as Jesus in John 1, and (one of) the means in which present-day saints commune with God
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The ones on my side seek to love God and our fellow human beings. We don't discriminate in that way unlike your side.
Is it alright, if I come to your business to buy a cake? How about obtaining a marriage license, according to the law of the land in which we live? And you say, you do not discriminate? Just for the record, love does not discriminate, neither does it condemn other people.
The Scriptures are the written Word of God, identified as Jesus in John 1, and (one of) the means in which present-day commune with God
Jesus Christ is the Word of God, that is what the scriptures say. The means of present day communication is Christ in you. Paul even challenged the Corininthians by asking them this, "Do you know that Jesus Christ is in you?", he said if you don't know this, you have failed the test (2 Cor 13:5). Not once did he say a day is coming when i am going to send you a compilation of books and letters called the bible and this is what i want you to turn too and use as the means of communication between you and I. If you are honest with yourself, you know that this is right.
Jeff, it is understandable that you infer that you were lumped in the same class as that white supremists being from this past weekend. Perhaps you will reflect on that this upset you the next time you lump homosexuals with people who rape little children. And you do this frequently. You may refuse to believe that you do that however it is very clear that your posts do just that.
I am not classifying you as equal to the antisemitic in Pittsburgh or the white supremists Dylan Hood in I forget which city. I am saying that your bringing up pedophilia, bestiality and incest when speaking about homosexuals does infer that you equate them. If you are truly the caring person you claim to be I suggest you think about this the next time you attack SSM or gay rights. Think of how you felt even though it was never stated that you are equal.
WRONG. I have never directly made such a comparison. The only thing that is being equated is sexual immorality as a whole. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of approving of one type of sexual immorality but then being against other forms. Every argument you throw at me for homosexuality can be exchanged with another type that you don't approve of (and the consent argument doesn't cover all categories either).
Jesus was firmly against sexual immorality to such a level that he said even having the mere thoughts about it was sin.
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Second, Jesus did speak explicitly about sexual immorality in general and the nature of marriage. He denounced the former (e.g., Matt. 5:28; 15:19) and defined the latter according to Genesis 2:24: “For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh” (Matt. 19:5 AT; par. Mark 10:7–8).
Jesus affirmed the covenanted union of one man and one woman as the only normative expression of human sexuality. It is incredible to suggest that these words from Jesus have no bearing on the question of homosexuality. They surely do.
Let me just stop you right here... because I already know where this is going, I already understand how you work here. It is useless wasting time and energy discussing this with you.
The operative word is FAITH.
Faith in the statements of Paul and Peter.
Faith in the testimony of God.
That's it.
Yep. Blind, unreasoning, childish faith. Charming when exhibited by children talking about Santa.
Painfully sad coming from adults talking about an old collection of parchments.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God, that is what the scriptures say. The means of present day communication is Christ in you. Paul even challenged the Corininthians by asking them this, "Do you know that Jesus Christ is in you?", he said if you don't know this, you have failed the test (2 Cor 13:5). Not once did he say a day is coming when i am going to send you a compilation of books and letters called the bible and this is what i want you to turn too and use as the means of communication between you and I. If you are honest with yourself, you know that this is right.
The Holy Spirit is in me, because I have received Christ as Lord and Savior
The Holy Spirit is in me, because I have received Christ as Lord and Savior
I didn't say 'the' means, I said 'a' means
Jesus said he would send a helper, not himself
I in them, and You in Me--that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me and loved them even as You loved Me.
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
It's getting pretty crowded in there with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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