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Old 09-16-2015, 05:35 AM
 
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The Law is a language of poetry and guidance. A Shepherd and staff at the well to weave a garment from sack cloth. Sheer truth from the wool and a new garment is formed from on high into fine linen.. A cradle for a new born in the hands of a Mother clothed in the Sun.

A Crown of Stars declare the Year of the LORD.
Ah, yeah sure. If you say so. But what is it you said?
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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Same God, different covenant. The Law didn't fail, we (the flesh) did in that it was weak.
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Old 09-16-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Gee, but the law's been abolished....

Dear Richard,
The Law has been abolished/made obsolete, according to some unknown author who seemed to side with the false prophet Paul (book of Hebrews). Your present canon was first proposed by the bishop of Alexandria in the year 367, who was part of the team (Council of Nicaea) of the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, who intended to make alterations in the Law and the Times (Daniel 7:24-25). The beast with two horns like a lamb, which were lamb like horns, were Peter and Paul, was to deceive "those who dwell on the earth". Those "who dwell on the earth" have already been deceived, and they carry the mark of the beast, which is exemplified in Deuteronomy 6:8. The Law and the prophets will remain, yet the false prophet/lawlessness and the "stumbling blocks"/Peter, will be removed. (Mt 13:41)
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:58 AM
 
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Love is now the new sheriff in town. The OT God tried various methods to get the mortals in line and ALL FAILED. So God realized if the LAW was not enough, all that he had left was love. So he laid it out and said NOW YOU MORTALS HAVE NO EXCUSE. We can no longer claim ignorance of the law, because LOVE is easily accessed. We no longer need legal renderings by chapter and verse to show ourselves approved. We no longer rely on Pharisees to interpret the law nor must we allow the Pharisee to intimidate us with their fancy talk and academic ignorance.

We now have ONE way to access God--that is through Christ. There are NO other intermediaries required to interact with God. LAWS will only convict and LAWS must have a consequence, punishment attached if they are to be effective.

LOVE has no strings, LOVE has no obligation, and above all LOVE has no GUILT.
Why is this so hard to understand? The only thing I would add is to remember that "Christ" is not limited to "Jesus."
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Love is now the new sheriff in town. The OT God tried various methods to get the mortals in line and ALL FAILED. So God realized if the LAW was not enough, all that he had left was love. So he laid it out and said NOW YOU MORTALS HAVE NO EXCUSE. We can no longer claim ignorance of the law, because LOVE is easily accessed. We no longer need legal renderings by chapter and verse to show ourselves approved. We no longer rely on Pharisees to interpret the law nor must we allow the Pharisee to intimidate us with their fancy talk and academic ignorance.

We now have ONE way to access God--that is through Christ. There are NO other intermediaries required to interact with God. LAWS will only convict and LAWS must have a consequence, punishment attached if they are to be effective.

LOVE has no strings, LOVE has no obligation, and above all LOVE has no GUILT.
Please explain, as this almost sounds utterly blasphemous. To presume that God has failed, at anything, takes a pretty cheap shot. Is not 'Love God' and 'Love your neighbor' a summary of the Law? You are confusing me a bit.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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Please explain, as this almost sounds utterly blasphemous. To presume that God has failed, at anything, takes a pretty cheap shot. Is not 'Love God' and 'Love your neighbor' a summary of the Law? You are confusing me a bit.
No, it is not a "summary" in the sense that all of the things that have been listed as law are a legitimate part of the two imperatives, it is a "summary" in that the intent or purpose of imperfect laws is to implement those imperatives. Focus on the law raises the tool over the job it is used to accomplish.
A job can be done with an imperfect tool, the better the tool, the better the job done, but it is the JOB that is paramount, not the tool.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:15 AM
 
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Same God, different covenant. The Law didn't fail, we (the flesh) did in that it was weak.

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Please explain, as this almost sounds utterly blasphemous. To presume that God has failed, at anything, takes a pretty cheap shot. Is not 'Love God' and 'Love your neighbor' a summary of the Law? You are confusing me a bit.
Wrong. The law failed. As a teacher, if I develop goals and objectives for my students and they FAIL to achieve those goals, I HAVE FAILED because I did not (or would not) accept my students limitations.

If I understood my students, the goals would have not only been attainable, but relevant and within their abilities.

LOVE GOD and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR is not a summary--IT IS THE LAW (COMMANDMENT)

All else we do is a summary that derives from these two commandments.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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No, it is not a "summary" in the sense that all of the things that have been listed as law are a legitimate part of the two imperatives, it is a "summary" in that the intent or purpose of imperfect laws is to implement those imperatives. Focus on the law raises the tool over the job it is used to accomplish.
A job can be done with an imperfect tool, the better the tool, the better the job done, but it is the JOB that is paramount, not the tool.


Just what I wanted to say..
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:42 PM
 
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Gee, but the law's been abolished....
No. God has not abolished His law. Sinners misunderstand.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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No. God has not abolished His law. Sinners misunderstand.
Law has been abolished as basis for judgement. Rules can never perfectly express the principle that we operate under: concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation.

What matters is how we love and express it.
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