Pope's grasp on science (myth, church, believe, translation)
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There are justifiable comparisons between Francis and Urban VIII, under whom the Vatican put Galileo under house arrest for drawing inappropriate theological conclusions from the fact that Earth orbits the sun
On the climate, you will recall, the pope got all his facts in the encyclical plumb wrong. He said a strong scientific “consensus” finds recent warming mostly manmade. No: only 0.3 percent. He said the “consensus” reports significant global warming. No: none for 18 years and eight months. He said sea level is rising steadily. No: It is hardly rising at all, and fell from 2003 to 2008. He said polar ice-caps are melting. No: Global sea-ice extent has barely changed in 35 years.
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IMHO, like many public figures catholic or otherwise the Pope may speak on many things of current interest and importance and like many public figures (and humbler folks like thee and me) he can misspeak, misunderstand, and just plain say or write well-intentioned nonsense on a variety of topics!!! thank heavens Catholics are not REQUIRED to believe and obey most all of these things UNLESS an official/"ex cathedra" pronouncement on faith and/or morals is made that specifically requires belief and "religious assent of the will" by the faithful. luckily, such things are VERY rare!!!
absent that, the Pope is free to say what he will from his "bully papal pulpit" right, wrong, or indifferent on global climate change and it's effects (pro or con) or how the u.s. or any other country should conduct their internal or external affairs, or for that matter who he thinks will win the world series, LOL---hopefully motivated by a sincere desire to say and do the right things for the church and the world. OTOH, Catholics are also free to make of such statements what best they can and ultimately do what their own best judgment and knowledge indicate are the right way to live their lives as Catholic Christians, good citizens, good neighbors, and human beings trying to become all God wants them to be in this world and the next.
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There are justifiable comparisons between Francis and Urban VIII, under whom the Vatican put Galileo under house arrest for drawing inappropriate theological conclusions from the fact that Earth orbits the sun
On the climate, you will recall, the pope got all his facts in the encyclical plumb wrong. He said a strong scientific “consensus” finds recent warming mostly manmade. No: only 0.3 percent. He said the “consensus” reports significant global warming. No: none for 18 years and eight months. He said sea level is rising steadily. No: It is hardly rising at all, and fell from 2003 to 2008. He said polar ice-caps are melting. No: Global sea-ice extent has barely changed in 35 years.
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The pope was not speaking from the Chair of Peter so he is free to make mistakes in his speech.
All those so called climate change ideas came from Al Gore who influenced the United Nations , where Government now spend billions of dollars and need to eradicate countless jobs and will end all carbon emissions by 2115 A.D. .... The Pope must have been told what the common belief in the world from the so called experts
There are justifiable comparisons between Francis and Urban VIII, under whom the Vatican put Galileo under house arrest for drawing inappropriate theological conclusions from the fact that Earth orbits the sun
On the climate, you will recall, the pope got all his facts in the encyclical plumb wrong. He said a strong scientific “consensus” finds recent warming mostly manmade. No: only 0.3 percent. He said the “consensus” reports significant global warming. No: none for 18 years and eight months. He said sea level is rising steadily. No: It is hardly rising at all, and fell from 2003 to 2008. He said polar ice-caps are melting. No: Global sea-ice extent has barely changed in 35 years.
Read more at Two cheers for Pope Francis
Lets just look at one point, the global sea ice. Each year some of it melts and then in winter it refreezes. Multi year ice is ice that stays for more than one full year. The melting off of the multi year ice has in fact been happening during the summer. The result is there is more open water during the late summer so more area that can refreeze and some claim that there is an actual increase in ice because there is now more area for ice to form. Multi year ice is important for polar bears for example. The sea ice extent has definetly been shrinking in the late summers but at its maximum is more or less the same, just a lot thinner. As far as no global warming in the last 18 years, I assume that is from 1998 which was an exceptionally warm year. Nine of our ten warmest years on records have occurred since that year. The rise in sea level has been recorded regardless of what you state. There is a consensus of the man made portion of global warming, the majority of the effect of greenhouse gases is natural but that is not the same as what is affecting the increase in greenhouse gases. Without greenhouse gases at all we would have an average global temp of -37C. Ploar ice amps and sea ice are different things altogether. The size fo the Antarctice ice cap has thinned which is much more important the the area change and both it and the Greenland ice caps are shrunk is size.
Can you please link where the 0.3 per cent comes from.
It is one thing to disagree with another point of view but to mock someone for their view on science when they are actually reflecting the mainline view on the subject is somehting else.
Arctic sea ice reaches its minimum each September. September Arctic sea ice is now declining at a rate of 13.3 percent per decade, relative to the 1981 to 2010 average. This graph shows the average monthly Arctic sea ice extent in September since 1979, derived from satellite observations.
The animated time series below shows the annual Arctic sea ice minimum since 1979, based on satellite observations. The 2012 sea ice extent is the lowest in the satellite record.
Select a level...Basic Intermediate Satellites measure Antarctica is gaining sea ice but losing land ice at an accelerating rate which has implications for sea level rise. Climate Myth...
Antarctica is gaining ice
"[Ice] is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is melting the continental ice cap." (Greg Roberts, The Australian)
Skeptic arguments that Antarctica is gaining ice frequently hinge on an error of omission, namely ignoring the difference between land ice and sea ice.
In glaciology and particularly with respect to Antarctic ice, not all things are created equal. Let us consider the following differences. Antarctic land ice is the ice which has accumulated over thousands of years on the Antarctica landmass itself through snowfall. This land ice therefore is actually stored ocean water that once fell as precipitation. Sea ice in Antarctica is quite different as it is ice which forms in salt water primarily during the winter months. When land ice melts and flows into the oceans global sea levels rise on average; when sea ice melts sea levels do not change measurably.
In Antarctica, sea ice grows quite extensively during winter but nearly completely melts away during the summer (Figure 1). That is where the important difference between Antarctic and Arctic sea ice exists as much of the Arctic's sea ice lasts all the year round. During the winter months it increases and before decreasing during the summer months, but an ice cover does in fact remain in the North which includes quite a bit of ice from previous years (Figure 1). Essentially Arctic sea ice is more important for the earth's energy balance because when it increasingly melts, more sunlight is absorbed by the oceans whereas Antarctic sea ice normally melts each summer leaving the earth's energy balance largely unchanged.
Satellite measurements show the average annual sea ice extent in the Arctic has declined by 3.5–4.1% per decade since 1979, while summer extent has decreased by 9.4–13.6% per decade.
In Antarctica the changes have been much more subtle and regionally variable. The western Antarctic Peninsula region has shown a decline in sea ice extent, particularly in the Bellingshausen Sea, consistent with the recent change to more northerly winds and surface warming observed there.
In contrast, sea ice in the Ross and Weddell seas is expanding. These changes involve both changes in sea ice extent and in the length of season during which sea ice is present each year.
All those so called climate change ideas came from Al Gore who influenced the United Nations , where Government now spend billions of dollars and need to eradicate countless jobs and will end all carbon emissions by 2115 A.D. .... The Pope must have been told what the common belief in the world from the so called experts
The beginning of noting that our emmissons are causing climate change was first proposed 150 years ago.
Stating that all those climate change ideas come from Al Gore is ridulous. You think that scientist from around the world, from all different political stripes as well as major companies, the US army during the Bush government,leaders of many countries of various political parties etc take their marching orders from the ex-Vice President of the USA. I know some of these scientists studying earth sciences and seeing the changes and Al Gore has nothing to do with what they see.
Whose so called experts are you depending on? Certainly not the earth or atmospheric scientists, biologists. Certainly not people from around the world who do not make any extra money from their work.
If you think that most of the countries in the world and most of the scientists in the related disclipines all listened to Al Gore speak and were taken in my him and became convinced that something other than what their science tells them but that you are smarter than than all the world leaders and scientists I must say you must be extremely cleaver. Guess it is time to fire all of our scientists and close down the colleges.
There are justifiable comparisons between Francis and Urban VIII, under whom the Vatican put Galileo under house arrest for drawing inappropriate theological conclusions from the fact that Earth orbits the sun
On the climate, you will recall, the pope got all his facts in the encyclical plumb wrong. He said a strong scientific “consensus” finds recent warming mostly manmade. No: only 0.3 percent. He said the “consensus” reports significant global warming. No: none for 18 years and eight months. He said sea level is rising steadily. No: It is hardly rising at all, and fell from 2003 to 2008. He said polar ice-caps are melting. No: Global sea-ice extent has barely changed in 35 years.
Read more at Two cheers for Pope Francis
All those so called climate change ideas came from Al Gore who influenced the United Nations , where Government now spend billions of dollars and need to eradicate countless jobs and will end all carbon emissions by 2115 A.D. .... The Pope must have been told what the common belief in the world from the so called experts
Ok, so The Pope is encouraging us to protect our Earth by not polluting and being conscious of what we do (not littering, etc.), how is this a bad thing? He has a valid point and it is consistent with embracing and protecting the gifts that we have been blessed with by God. Why are we even still having this debate about climate change?! It amazes me that some people continue to flat out believe that humanity has ZERO impact on the environment.. Smog just appears in cities magically, landfills are bursting at their seams magically, oil spills appear magically, etc.. Come on seriously? Please..
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