Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-25-2015, 11:29 AM
 
598 posts, read 358,116 times
Reputation: 72

Advertisements

All of mankind is born "in Adam" because of the unclean "spirit of man" handed down from a "post fall" Adam unto all of us.

Because Adam was condemned unto death, so are all those who are "in Adam" also condemned to die. For this reason Paul says "in Adam all men die"

As it says in Ro.4 God calls those as if they are even though they are not yet, however, the church as a general rule only applies this to persons who for lack of a better word have been "saved". Therefore (in the minds of man) "the saved" are called to be righteous because of the righteousness of Christ that is now in them even though they themselves have not yet overcome sin. Consequently, the actuality of the truth is, even though they themselves are not yet righteous, they are called to be righteous by God who will complete what He has started in us!

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

So far so good for most but there is a hitch because God is a just and unbiased God without respect to persons

Colossians 3:25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

The same as God calls those who are not yet righteous to be righteous, God calls those who are already condemned unto death to be dead even though they are still "physically" alive. So while the unclean spirit of Adam in the unsaved keeps them alive on earth, they are already considered dead in God's eyes because "God calls things as if they are even though they are not yet......... this is the way an unbiased and just God who is no respecter of persons views both the saved and the unsaved. Period and there are no. "ifs", "ands", or, "buts" about it!!!

However, when someone who believes in Jesus and repents of their sin asks Him to be the Lord of their life and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, they have been given a new Spirit from above that is not condemned unto death but unto life eternal through Christ Jesus and not of themselves......... Amen? ........ I think so!

At this time persons who have received the Holy Spirit sent unto them in the name of Jesus have passed from death unto life through having been given the seed (spirit) of eternal life from God who through Jesus has RESURRECTED THEM UNTO ETERNAL LIFE......... Amen? ........ I think so!

This has and can happen to anyone from the time of Acts 2 until an unspecified time in the future as long as it remains the "day of salvation" when through Jesus Christ they may pass from death unto life.

However ,when a person dies it is no longer the day of salvation but has become a day of judgment for both the just and the unjust

Should a person die without receiving Jesus they have then passed from a time of the "day of salvation" and have now gone into a "day of judgment". This day is called a different day than the day of salvation to be 1000 years later because in the calendar of the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Everyone dies some day, therefore, a person wakes up in the day of salvation but should they die later on that same day, the "day" they are now in has for them become a day of judgment even though it is the same day they woke up in that morning......... everyone needs to get this!

Every single person both saved and unsaved will die and stand before the Lord.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.


Those who have their names in the Book of Life will have at some time in their life received eternal life through Jesus Christ....... those who have not will receive what is considered by God to be the just reward for their sins

This is only Cliff Notes but the truth is the first resurrection happens in this life and every person will go through the second resurrection after they physically die with their future disposition in the Hands of God[/quote]
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-25-2015, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,445,085 times
Reputation: 2339
The reason we need a new husband is because the husband we are born with is fallen, and so we have to get betrothed to a new husband, a guiding spirit.

Jesus becomes a new Adam in us where the old is still there, imagine that. We were born of the first Adam and in a marriage because we are also of Eve, but we were born as sons to rule the world, so the son is there. So a son must decide to become a virgin and then get betrothed to a new husband.

Jesus having died as a pure virgin in the flesh, in the water, and as the virgin died, there rose a new Adam but where had this son come from?

A first born son into a new kingdom, and this is why we LITERALLY have to be born again but in order to give birth, a seed MUST be planted and the person must become as a submissive virgin rather than a would be king. This is why Paul says that they were his until Christ could be formed in them. The seed begins to grow on milk till it can eat meat.

Is Christ a part of you, and will you see him when you die?

So too is the old Adam and what a surprise it will be when people find out that they are not alone.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 05:02 PM
 
598 posts, read 358,116 times
Reputation: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
The reason we need a new husband is because the husband we are born with is fallen, and so we have to get betrothed to a new husband, a guiding spirit.

Jesus becomes a new Adam in us where the old is still there, imagine that. We were born of the first Adam and in a marriage because we are also of Eve, but we were born as sons to rule the world, so the son is there. So a son must decide to become a virgin and then get betrothed to a new husband.

Jesus having died as a pure virgin in the flesh, in the water, and as the virgin died, there rose a new Adam but where had this son come from?

A first born son into a new kingdom, and this is why we LITERALLY have to be born again but in order to give birth, a seed MUST be planted and the person must become as a submissive virgin rather than a would be king. This is why Paul says that they were his until Christ could be formed in them. The seed begins to grow on milk till it can eat meat.

Is Christ a part of you, and will you see him when you die?

So too is the old Adam and what a surprise it will be when people find out that they are not alone.
When all is said and done the thought behind the reason for my post is so Christians will become aware that the resurrection unto life is already started in them, and to help to eliminate any unbeliefs in the truth of the resurrection that is required knowledge for Christians to have before the Lord can move them forward into perfection in this life

Regarding Adam and Eve who are our spirit and soul (essentially the mind) from our natural birth in the same way that from a seed comes a tree that when fully mature will produce a seed in the image of the tree it came from. With humans and because the disobedience of Adam and Eve included eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil resulted in the spirit of Adam once holy and with the mind of Christ to become unclean. Consequently, and unlike when Adam was first created, the "adam" AKA the spirit of man in us from the time of our natural birth is not not capable of bringing forth the mind of Christ.

On the other hand the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus given unto Christians is guaranteed to bring forth the mind of Christ providing the Christian with the Holy Spirit of God feeds it with the truth of the Word of God and not with false doctrines coming from the traditions and doctrines of man that have given us the impotent church we now have in every city of this country.

Meanwhile; the soul is the tabernacle for the spirit but the tabernacle of Eve is not the mind, will and emotions of Christ but of a woman who like Adam was also in the transgression, and like Adam has already been sentenced to death. When she dies is prophesied of in the wife who like her husband three hours (days and we are now in the third day from when the first Adam died after not being willing to tell the truth and give the whole house to God) later also does not tell the truth and suffers the same fate. (Acts 5:1-10)

So what happened to Adam AKA the spirit of man when we received the Holy Spirit of Christ in the nam of Jesus? Technically speaking Adam died when Christ came into us in the same manner that Christ who is the truth and the light displaced the darkness of Adam in our hearts and gave it the boot out of the heart of the Christian allowing the heart of the Christian to become "the place prepared" Jesus has gone to for getting it ready so that when the time of the marriage comes upon us our we will be ready for the "wife adorned for her husband". This wife is the soul of Jesus coming down from heaven for her husband who is the Holy Spirit already on earth who also came from heaven. She is coming to those Christians who are abiding in the truth of the foundational doctrines of Christ (He,6:1-3 KJV) along with the Holy Spirit in the hearts of believers who have escaped Babylon and the traditions of man that have cost far to many Christians the fulness of the inheritance that is Christ fully formed in them.(Jn.3:13, Ro.10:6, Re.22:2-3, KJV)

When will this marriage take place? No man knows the hour and He comes as a thief in the night but only for the wise virgins who have received the blessings of the additional oil available in the fall harvest in the in gathering of the fruits while the foolish virgins slept after only received the anointing of Pentecost that as critical and necessary as it is, is not enough to perfect the body of Christ that requires the additional anointing of the mind (soul) of Christ in addition to the Holy Spirit of Christ already in Christians.

Last edited by Livelystone; 10-25-2015 at 05:17 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 05:29 PM
 
4,217 posts, read 2,785,454 times
Reputation: 223
I am the resurrection and the life. I am the One who lives. The son of man is the One who lives. He does what is right and just by the will of the Father and the commandments of the Most High.

If the son frees you, you shall truly be free.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:52 PM
 
10,036 posts, read 4,963,384 times
Reputation: 754
The first resurrection is for those of Revelation 20:6 who will rule with Christ for a thousand years over earth - Rev. 5:9-10; Rev. 2:10
They have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven.
The rest or most of mankind have a future resurrection back to healthy life on earth during that millennial reign - Acts 2:34; John 3:13
That is why the ' future tense ' is uses at Acts 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:59 PM
 
10,036 posts, read 4,963,384 times
Reputation: 754
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peacegiver View Post
I am the resurrection and the life. I am the One who lives. The son of man is the One who lives. He does what is right and just by the will of the Father and the commandments of the Most High.
If the son frees you, you shall truly be free.
Good point ^ above ^ that if the Son frees you, you shall truly be free.
Bible truth sets us free from what is religiously false.
Romans 6:7,23 says death frees or acquits a person.
That does Not mean now innocent, but as a governor can pardon a person so the crime charges do Not stick, Jesus can pardon a person so the sin charges do Not stick.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will.- Rev. 1:18
Some to heaven - Rev. 20:6 - but the majority of mankind - including king David - Acts 2:34 - will have a physically healthy resurrection restored back to life on earth with the opportunity to live forever on earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. - Psalm 37:11,29; Matthew 5:5
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 08:07 PM
 
12,918 posts, read 16,865,381 times
Reputation: 5434
It represents a "first step" in the spiritual life. Job and his friends were represented by this, because they had lapsed backwards into the self-righteousness of religion. Satan came back briefly to tempt them all. Job was shown at the end overcoming Satan completely.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 08:28 PM
 
598 posts, read 358,116 times
Reputation: 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4 View Post
The first resurrection is for those of Revelation 20:6 who will rule with Christ for a thousand years over earth - Rev. 5:9-10; Rev. 2:10
They have a first or earlier resurrection to heaven.
The rest or most of mankind have a future resurrection back to healthy life on earth during that millennial reign - Acts 2:34; John 3:13
That is why the ' future tense ' is uses at Acts 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
Everyone upon their physical death is immediately resurrected, some for better some for worse.

There is nothing to indicate that those who die will ever again have physical bodies. For one reason is because Jesus said in the resurrection they will be like angels and will not marry

#2 is no one is going to want a physical body anymore after they have been raised as immortal spirit and soul alive as part of the head in heaven never to die again and on one accord with the body on earth who will be worshipping the head in heaven in spirit and in truth while they rule over the rest of the world.

Last edited by Livelystone; 10-25-2015 at 08:48 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 08:48 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
11,825 posts, read 12,493,260 times
Reputation: 1319
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livelystone View Post
Everyone upon their physical death is immediately resurrected, some for better some for worse.

There is nothing to indicate that those who die will ever again have physical bodies. For one reason is because Jesus said in the resurrection they will be like angels and will not marry

#2 is no one is going to want a physical body anymore after they have been raised as immortal spirit and soul alive as part of the head in heaven never to die again and on one accord with the body on earth who worshipping in spirit and in truth while ruling over the rest of the world.
Contraire .... there is every indication: Jesus rose physically from the dead, and he is the first fruits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2015, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona
28,956 posts, read 16,360,776 times
Reputation: 2296
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livelystone View Post
Everyone upon their physical death is immediately resurrected, some for better some for worse.
You might want to give it about 36 hours.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top