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God will be the savior of mankind in that mankind as a species will not be destroyed but will live on Earth forever.
There is no verse in the Bible to support the above.
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That doesn't mean every individual person will be saved. Only those that repent will be saved and there will be so many that no one will be able to number them.
For those of the nations since Israel was set aside, we are not saved by repentance but by faith that Christ died for our sins, was entombed and roused the third day. Those not chosen by God for age-during life will not and cannot believe for life through the next two ages.
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(Rev 7:9) Yet the Bible is clear, there are those that will not repent and choose God will be at war with God's chosen King Jesus Christ. (Rev 2:16)
When God lets Satan out of his prison at the end of the 1000 year reign, he deceives the nations and they come against the holy citadel. Christ does battle with them and wins.
Rev 20:7-9 And whenever the thousand years should be finished, Satan will be loosed out of his jail." (8) And he will be coming out to deceive all the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to be mobilizing them for battle, their number being as the sand of the sea." (9) And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and surround the citadel of the saints and the beloved city. And fire descended from God out of heaven and devoured them."
Satan is then cast into the lake of fire for the ages of the ages or understood properly, for the remainder of the 1000 year age and the duration of the final age. And the people involved in coming against Christ; if they are not in the book of life will be put into the second death. But that too is only for the ages of the ages. At the end of the ages that death will be abolished, they will all be subjected to Christ and God will be All in all (1 Corinthians 15:22-28).
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As I said before, when a person does their research into the Bible. The truth is not eternal hellfire but it is also not every will be saved either.
So you don't believe that some sort of "hell" is not eternal. That's a start. I agree with you that during the ages, not everyone will be saved for age-during life. It is not until the consummation of the ages that all mankind are saved.
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Otherwise there would be no reason to hold off on His judgement day. He'd just get if over with. But He is waiting so as many as possible to repent and have a chance at life. He will not wait forever. I normally find that the truth in is the middle.
He has a plan for humanity in each age. He is not waiting on His throne just twiddling His thumbs just waiting and waiting for people to repent and have a chance at life. God doesn't operate by chance but by choice . . . His choice. He has already chosen those who will be saved for age-during life before they were ever born . . . before the disruption of the world.
Case in point:
Joh_1:13 who were begotten, not of bloods, neither of the will of the flesh, neither of the will of a man, but of God."
Mankind are not saved by their own wills but by God's will as evidenced in the verse above.
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Satan is the one that swings to the extremes with his tactics. Eternal torture on fire which is unjust and allowing the wicked to live, which is also unjust. Those that think the wicked should live must have never met a truly wicked person. But no one, not even a wicked person deserves burning forever for only maybe at most 80 years of wickedness. They also don't deserve to have their minds zapped into submission to God. That's not a person, that's an animal. Alive yes, but they are not the same person, if they are person at all.
So you hold to the teachings of the Sadducees who Jesus told us to beware of their teachings, one of which was eternal annihilation. The Pharisees believed in eternal torment. Jesus believed in neither. He believed in "eonian chastening" or "age-during chastening" for the nations that mistreated His brethren during their 3 1/2 years of tribulation. Even for Gehenna, which will only be in use during the millennial reign of Christ, has no one being tormented in that trash dump. They are killed first and then their dead bodies are dumped in that dump. No humans are tormented in the lake of fire either. They are placed back into death.
Since Christ ransomed all mankind according to 1 Timothy 2:6, this is the reason why "God will have all humans to be saved" (1 Timothy 2:4). It doesn't say "all kinds of men" in 2:4. It doesn't say only those who believe in 2:4. It doesn't say "only those who attend your specific church in 2:4. No, Christ ransomed all humans and due to that, eventually all humans will be saved.
It would truly be helpful for you to do an exhaustive study concerning "ransom" in the Bible. You will see that any animal or human that was ransomed had to be freed, no ifs ands or buts about it. God really IS the Saviour of all mankind, especially [not exclusively] those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), these things charge and teach (4:11).
Catholicism was the only religion calling themselves Christian after the apostles and followers were killed off. for well over 1000 years. Everyone on earth who knows what the bible teaches knows that religion is far removed from God and his son.
Catholicism was the only religion calling themselves Christian after the apostles and followers were killed off. for well over 1000 years. Everyone on earth who knows what the bible teaches knows that religion is far removed from God and his son.
You are just so laughably wrong here . Google the Eastern Orthodox Church . Been around since the days of the Apostles, and is today the second largest Christian sect in the world behind Catholics. They are what Catholics broke away from and went into error when they lost the corrective influence of the original Greek and Jewish churches . Every single bishop in the EO church can trace his ancestry through the bishop that appointed him all the way back to an original apostle .
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Originally Posted by 2Timothy316 God will be the savior of mankind in that mankind as a species will not be destroyed but will live on Earth forever.
There is no verse in the Bible to support the above.
"For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalm 37:9
“The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.” - Psalm 37:29
"For this is what Jehovah says,
The Creator of the heavens, the true God,
The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it,
Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited:
“I am Jehovah, and there is no one else." - Isaiah 45:18
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
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That doesn't mean every individual person will be saved. Only those that repent will be saved and there will be so many that no one will be able to number them.
For those of the nations since Israel was set aside, we are not saved by repentance but by faith that Christ died for our sins, was entombed and roused the third day. Those not chosen by God for age-during life will not and cannot believe for life through the next two ages.
"True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent." - Acts 17:30
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
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(Rev 7:9) Yet the Bible is clear, there are those that will not repent and choose God will be at war with God's chosen King Jesus Christ. (Rev 2:16)
When God lets Satan out of his prison at the end of the 1000 year reign, he deceives the nations and they come against the holy citadel. Christ does battle with them and wins.
Rev 20:7-9 And whenever the thousand years should be finished, Satan will be loosed out of his jail." (8) And he will be coming out to deceive all the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to be mobilizing them for battle, their number being as the sand of the sea." (9) And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and surround the citadel of the saints and the beloved city. And fire descended from God out of heaven and devoured them."
Satan is then cast into the lake of fire for the ages of the ages or understood properly, for the remainder of the 1000 year age and the duration of the final age. And the people involved in coming against Christ; if they are not in the book of life will be put into the second death. But that too is only for the ages of the ages. At the end of the ages that death will be abolished, they will all be subjected to Christ and God will be All in all (1 Corinthians 15:22-28).
"And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." - Rev 20:10
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
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As I said before, when a person does their research into the Bible. The truth is not eternal hellfire but it is also not every will be saved either.
So you don't believe that some sort of "hell" is not eternal. That's a start. I agree with you that during the ages, not everyone will be saved for age-during life. It is not until the consummation of the ages that all mankind are saved.
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all..." Ecc 9:5
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
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Otherwise there would be no reason to hold off on His judgement day. He'd just get if over with. But He is waiting so as many as possible to repent and have a chance at life. He will not wait forever. I normally find that the truth in is the middle.
He has a plan for humanity in each age. He is not waiting on His throne just twiddling His thumbs just waiting and waiting for people to repent and have a chance at life. God doesn't operate by chance but by choice . . . His choice. He has already chosen those who will be saved for age-during life before they were ever born . . . before the disruption of the world.
Case in point:
Joh_1:13 who were begotten, not of bloods, neither of the will of the flesh, neither of the will of a man, but of God."
Mankind are not saved by their own wills but by God's will as evidenced in the verse above.
"Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
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Satan is the one that swings to the extremes with his tactics. Eternal torture on fire which is unjust and allowing the wicked to live, which is also unjust. Those that think the wicked should live must have never met a truly wicked person. But no one, not even a wicked person deserves burning forever for only maybe at most 80 years of wickedness. They also don't deserve to have their minds zapped into submission to God. That's not a person, that's an animal. Alive yes, but they are not the same person, if they are person at all.
So you hold to the teachings of the Sadducees who Jesus told us to beware of their teachings, one of which was eternal annihilation. The Pharisees believed in eternal torment. Jesus believed in neither. He believed in "eonian chastening" or "age-during chastening" for the nations that mistreated His brethren during their 3 1/2 years of tribulation. Even for Gehenna, which will only be in use during the millennial reign of Christ, has no one being tormented in that trash dump. They are killed first and then their dead bodies are dumped in that dump. No humans are tormented in the lake of fire either. They are placed back into death.
Since Christ ransomed all mankind according to 1 Timothy 2:6, this is the reason why "God will have all humans to be saved" (1 Timothy 2:4). It doesn't say "all kinds of men" in 2:4. It doesn't say only those who believe in 2:4. It doesn't say "only those who attend your specific church in 2:4. No, Christ ransomed all humans and due to that, eventually all humans will be saved.
It would truly be helpful for you to do an exhaustive study concerning "ransom" in the Bible. You will see that any animal or human that was ransomed had to be freed, no ifs ands or buts about it. God really IS the Saviour of all mankind, especially [not exclusively] those who believe (1 Tim.4:10), these things charge and teach (4:11).
“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world...“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." - Matthew 25:31-34, 41
You are just so laughably wrong here . Google the Eastern Orthodox Church . Been around since the days of the Apostles, and is today the second largest Christian sect in the world behind Catholics. They are what Catholics broke away from and went into error when they lost the corrective influence of the original Greek and Jewish churches . Every single bishop in the EO church can trace his ancestry through the bishop that appointed him all the way back to an original apostle .
They can claim anything they want--they are lying. Catholicism rose up after the year 250--these were the first( 2Thess 2:3) they held councils because they did not know truth, many false teachings came out of those councils and as well pagan things were added.
Catholicism claims Peter was the first Pope--a pure lie just like the eastern orthodox--these broke off of Catholicism.
The greeks refused to go to a religion with a single God--there were no greek churches prior to Catholicism--Catholicism created a trinity at those councils to get the greeks to revert.
Jesus has 0 to do with any trinity based religion.
"For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." - Psalm 37:9
“The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.” - Psalm 37:29
The Hebrew word "ad" is used for "future" and is thus translated here:
Psa 37:29 The righteous, they shall tenant the land, And they shall tabernacle on it for the future."
The land is in view. What land? The land King David was aware of which is the Promised Land. And they will tabernacle on it for the future.
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"True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent." - Acts 17:30
That was during the kingdom administration. Now we are under the administration of grace while Israel is set aside. Read all of Paul's letters to the nations. Never once does he say the nations have to repent to be saved. It is always "believe that Christ died for our sins," etc.
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"And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." - Rev 20:10
The lake of fire for the humans is called "the second death."
Also, your verse above has it wrong as to "forever and ever." Now if the translator had translated it as "for the evers of the evers" that would be closer to the Greek since both "aions" are plural and genitive.
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"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all..." Ecc 9:5
"Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9
The "you" in the above verse is only dealing with the Israelites. And obviously they won't be so destroyed that they can never be saved later since we have God's word that He really "will have all mankind to be saved" (1 Tim.2:4-6).
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“When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world...“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." - Matthew 25:31-34, 41
Yes, that is true above to a point. However you should understand "everlasting" as "lasting for an ever." And since the Bible says all the evers will end, they can't be eternal.
By the way, did you do that exhaustive study in the Old and New Testament on the word "ransom"?
The Hebrew word "ad" is used for "future" and is thus translated here:
Psa 37:29 The righteous, they shall tenant the land, And they shall tabernacle on it for the future."
The land is in view. What land? The land King David was aware of which is the Promised Land. And they will tabernacle on it for the future.
That was during the kingdom administration. Now we are under the administration of grace while Israel is set aside. Read all of Paul's letters to the nations. Never once does he say the nations have to repent to be saved. It is always "believe that Christ died for our sins," etc.
The lake of fire for the humans is called "the second death."
Also, your verse above has it wrong as to "forever and ever." Now if the translator had translated it as "for the evers of the evers" that would be closer to the Greek since both "aions" are plural and genitive.
The "you" in the above verse is only dealing with the Israelites. And obviously they won't be so destroyed that they can never be saved later since we have God's word that He really "will have all mankind to be saved" (1 Tim.2:4-6).
Yes, that is true above to a point. However you should understand "everlasting" as "lasting for an ever." And since the Bible says all the evers will end, they can't be eternal.
By the way, did you do that exhaustive study in the Old and New Testament on the word "ransom"?
All of these interpretations are wrong. That's why didn't add my own words. I just let the Bible speak for itself and look at what you did to it. Changes, twisting rather that let it speak to you, you place the lenses of your doctrine. You paraphrased it all. I reject all of your interpretations. If all you are going to do is change every verse given to you there is no point of using the Bible with you because from what I can see you don't believe it what it says, only your interpretations.
All of these interpretations are wrong. That's why didn't add my own words. I just let the Bible speak for itself and look at what you did to it. Changes, twisting rather that let it speak to you, you place the lenses of your doctrine. You paraphrased it all. I reject all of your interpretations. If all you are going to do is change every verse given to you there is no point of using the Bible with you because from what I can see you don't believe it what it says, only your interpretations.
No, your translation needs corrected. That is why you cannot see how God will save all mankind. Your translation covers it up. But I do believe what correctly translated Bibles tell me. It is you who don't believe them. I let the properly translated Bibles speak to me.
If you want to continue using a poor translation, that is up to you. Just don't come crying to me when you find out God really is saving all mankind.
If "aion" is translated as "ever" in your poor translation, and since the Bible says all the aions end,
we must therefore conclude no "ever" or "for ever" or "ever-lasting" is eternal. Sorry bud but that
is just how the cookie crumbles.
They can claim anything they want--they are lying. Catholicism rose up after the year 250--these were the first( 2Thess 2:3) they held councils because they did not know truth, many false teachings came out of those councils and as well pagan things were added.
Catholicism claims Peter was the first Pope--a pure lie just like the eastern orthodox--these broke off of Catholicism.
The greeks refused to go to a religion with a single God--there were no greek churches prior to Catholicism--Catholicism created a trinity at those councils to get the greeks to revert.
Jesus has 0 to do with any trinity based religion.
Your ignorance of church history is astounding , but I have a feeling that trying to help you educate yourself about such would be a total wasted effort, so I won't bother . Wallow happily in your ignorance .
If you want to continue using a poor translation, that is up to you. Just don't come crying to me when you find out God really is saving all mankind.
I have a feeling a lot of Christians will be upset at finding out God really IS going to reconcile everyone back to itself as promised .
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