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Old 03-30-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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Amen to the work of the feast of Tabernacles. There is so much rich revelation in this feast pattern and most miss it, thinking none of them are applicable to us today. How they can recognize Passover and Pentecost are spiritually significant to us but not Tabernacles, is beyond me. All glory to Him for the things He has done and is about to do. Blessings and peace to you...

 
Old 03-30-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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RESTORATION: THROUGH THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES – CHARLES WELLER
“The feast of tabernacles means the feast of ingathering. It takes an eight day period to bring in the fullness of the ingathering. Eight is the number of new beginnings in scripture or FULL RESTORATION.
1Corinthians 15 is the last chapter in the Bible. The fifteenth chapter clearly shows how great the totality of the feast of tabernacles will be. ‘As in Adam all die (every preacher will agree that all people are in Adam but few believe that the word all mean all in the second part of the verse) so in Christ all shall be made alive.’ Jesus is going to gather all together in Himself. He will have everyone in His nature.
Everything that occurs, occurs in the plan and order of God. In 1Corinthians 15 God shows that there are different orders. The highest order is Jesus Christ. Everything will, in time, be brought into Jesus Christ. All shall be gathered into Him. When this is done then Jesus, the Son, will turn all over to the Father. It is then we find that time ends, for God becomes All in all (verse 28).

Also what many Christians fail to realize that in Israelitish culture there was the gathering of the firstfruit and then the latter fruit.

I live around orchards here. In apple season the farmer will gather the firstfruit and take it to market. He doesn't let the latter fruit go to rot when it ripens. No. What he does is harvest the latter fruit when it is ready.

Christ is called the Firstfruit (1 Cor.15:23) and then "those who are Christ's in His presence" and then later the consummation fruit so that God will be All in all, not just All in some.

Yes, we Christians are a bunch of fruits!
 
Old 03-30-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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But I do believe Jesus. The narrow way and gate He spoke of was the law. Very few were saved through the law. But Jesus never said they would be lost eternally so please don't put words in Jesus' mouth which He never said.



That's interesting, the Bible doesn't state that Christ's death only made salvation a possibility.

And Paul used Abraham in Romans chapter 4 concerning faith and God reckoning righteousness to him BEFORE he did anything. He only believed God. And another interesting point is that God didn't even require faith from Abraham. But Abraham just believed God and God reckoned to him righteousness. Then Paul says this:

Romans 4:23-25 Now it was not written because of him only, that it is reckoned to him, (24) but
because of us also, to whom it is about to be reckoned, who are believing on Him Who rouses Jesus our
Lord from among the dead." (25) Who was given up because of our offenses, and was roused because of
our justifying."

So righteousness is reckoned to the one who is ONLY believing God that Christ died for our offenses/sins, was entombed and roused from the dead. (see also 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

And the same Jesus who said that about the narrow way also told Paul later, after His ascension, that God will save all mankind. So you can listen to the twisted words of men or believe Jesus.



The lake of fire= the second death= permanent.
 
Old 03-31-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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The lake of fire= the second death= permanent.
Sinners whose names are not in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. But everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.

Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
“Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire taught in the scriptures?
The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death (Rev.20:14; 21:8). In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).
It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the fifteenth chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire which is the second death, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.
The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.
It is also apparent from Col. 1:15-20 that the lake of fire is not the end of God's plan for those cast into the fire. See also Ro. 5:18, 19
James Coram.
biblical studies: Questions and Answers - Part One

Note God’s wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive
 
Old 03-31-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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The lake of fire= the second death= permanent.
That is not what Revelation states concerning the second death. The Jehovaha's Witnesses say what you propose.
 
Old 03-31-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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The lake of fire= the second death= permanent.
According to Hebrews 2:14 B Jesus destroys Satan
According to Revelation 21:8 Satan ends up in second death
So, Gehenna and second death are fitting words for destruction, as in the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
The everlasting punishment - 2nd Thessalsonians 1:9 - is everlasting destruction - Psalm 92:7; Matthew 25:46
Mankind has two choices to either ' repent ' or 'perish ' - 2nd Peter 3:9 - Perish meaning destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
 
Old 03-31-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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I believe that the reconciliation of Satan will be the greatest manifestation of God’s grace in action among the celestials.
https://www.godfire.net/eby/reconcilehvns.html

"Forever and Ever"--A Poor Translation
Chapter Five
The smoke of their torment rises for a limited period of time. Here is the proof.
Why Can't Aionas Ton Aionon Mean Eternity?

DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ARE NOT ETERNAL
Jesus knew that John 3:16 was not the end of the story…that’s why He continued to John 3:17 and talked about the salvation of all mankind!!!
Jesus makes no attempt to use verse 16 to negate or qualify verse 17. He simply makes both statements side by side as if both are completely true. The reason He does this is that both ARE completely true.
We see this over and over in Scripture, especially in the writings of Paul – a statement about people who have faith now (maybe a warning or exhortation or encouragement about the benefits of taking part in the kingdom of God a.k.a. the next two ages of life on earth) right next to a statement about how Christ accomplished the justification of all men. See Romans 3:23-24 and 5:18 and their contexts for example. This is no big deal; none of these statements negate, qualify (change), or contradict each other, because both concepts are 100% true. Some will be saved from death early and take part in the kingdom of God, and everyone else will be saved from death later.
To attempt to use some statements (about those who get saved early) to negate the others statements (about the eventual salvation of all) is to butcher the common sense rules of language and communication. We would never do this to each other in everyday communication; the only reason people try to do it to Jesus and Paul is because they cannot bring themselves to believe the plain statements about the eventual salvation of all mankind.
If I said to my kids, “Those of you who help me clean the yard today will get to go to a movie with me tomorrow, and next week I will take the rest of you to a movie,” I have made it very clear that all the kids will eventually go to the movies. My two statements do not contradict each other or negate each other in any way. This is the exact same thing Jesus does in John 3:16 and 17 – He makes two equally true statements. Yet “hell mindset” Christians try to make one statement negate the other in order to fit their preconceived inherited ideas.
"What About how the Bible says that those who do not believe will perish or be destroyed?" What Does it Mean to "Perish?"
 
Old 03-31-2016, 04:14 PM
 
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Up until the time of Augustine, most Christians believed in universal salvation.
Dr. Edwin Abbott, headmaster of the City of London School, wrote in his Cambridge Sermons -
QUOTE: "An argument was introduced by Augustine, and since his day incessantly repeated, that if aionios kolasis does not mean "endless punishment," then there is no security for the believer that aionios zoe means "endless life," and that he will enjoy the promise of endless happiness. But Matt. 25:46 shows the "eonian chastisement" and "eonian life" are of the same duration-lasting during the eons, and when the eons end, as Scripture states they will (1 Cor. 10:11; Heb. 9:26), the time called "eonian" is past and the life called "eonian" is finished, but life continues beyond the eons, as Paul teaches at 1 Cor. 15:26: "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." (which must refer to the lake of fire which is the second death, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). That is, the last, the final one in order. How will it be destroyed? First Corinthians 15:22 gives the answer: "For as IN ADAM ALL are dying, even so IN CHRIST ALL shall be made alive." Death is destroyed when ALL have been made alive, IN CHRIST."
-- Dr. Edwin Abbott

Note God’s wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive

GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
"During the present wicked eon (Gal.1:4), Sin reigns, Satan who is said to be “the god of this eon” (2 Cor.4:4) blinds and deceives mankind, and death swallows up the race (1 Cor.15:22). But notwithstanding, God is over all and is in supreme control. He is the eonian God. In due time He will deliver the entire creation and bring good out of all the suffering mankind is called upon to endure (Rom.8;18-23)."
GOD’S PLAN FOR THE AGES OF TIME
THE EONS OF THE BIBLE WITH CONCORDANCE
The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God’s purpose of the eons.
Universalism:
The Prevailing Doctrine Of the Christian Church During Its First Five-Hundred Years
Universalism, the Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During its First Five Hundred Years
And they were reading the Bible in its original language!
 
Old 03-31-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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Sinners whose names are not in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. But everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.

Everyone who is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death will be saved out of it.
“Where is a resurrection from the lake of fire taught in the scriptures?
The lake of fire is distinctly defined as the second death (Rev.20:14; 21:8). In it is cast all that is still at enmity with God. So that, death is indeed the last enemy (1 Cor.15:26).
And we are just as decidedly told that Christ is the one who abolishes death and brings life and incorruptibility to light (2 Tim.1:10). The reading "hath abolished" is not true as to fact or as to grammar. It is in the indefinite form (commonly called the aorist tense) simply recording the fact apart from time. Death has not been abolished yet.
How and when it will be abolished is told us in the fifteenth of first Corinthians. It is to be abolished by means of universal vivification (1 Cor.15:22). This takes place at the consummation (1 Cor.15:26).
It is useless to look for plain statements on this subject in parts of the Scriptures whose scope is limited to eonian truth, such as the Revelation. It is unwise to look for it anywhere but in the special portion which deals with this topic. Death and resurrection are exhaustively treated in the fifteenth chapter of first Corinthians and there it is we should look for clear statements as to the ultimate goal. There we are distinctly told that the last enemy that shall be abolished is death (which must refer to the lake of fire which is the second death, for the first death cannot be the last enemy). And there we are told that it is to be done by a universal vivification rather than resurrection.
The term "resurrection" is applied to those who have afterward died again, such as those who suffer the second death. Hence there is not a resurrection, merely, from the lake of fire, but a vivification beyond which there can be no death.
It is also apparent from Col. 1:15-20 that the lake of fire is not the end of God's plan for those cast into the fire. See also Ro. 5:18, 19
James Coram.
biblical studies: Questions and Answers - Part One

Note God’s wording
In Christ all shall be made alive
not
All who are in Christ shall be made alive



Yes all who are in Christ--about 1% possibly on this earth. Few know him, that is why he taught--Few will find the road that leads off into life( everlasting)-- There is more than one Jesus being taught in this world. The key to all of it--so important, God spoke from heaven at Jesus baptism and said--- This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM-- Few listen to Jesus--mens dogmas get in the way and he gets much lip service from those, but no listening.
 
Old 03-31-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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According to Hebrews 2:14 B Jesus destroys Satan
According to Revelation 21:8 Satan ends up in second death
So, Gehenna and second death are fitting words for destruction, as in the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7
The everlasting punishment - 2nd Thessalsonians 1:9 - is everlasting destruction - Psalm 92:7; Matthew 25:46
Mankind has two choices to either ' repent ' or 'perish ' - 2nd Peter 3:9 - Perish meaning destroyed forever - Psalm 92:7



Yes, Gods word is clear--destruction to those walking the broad and spacious path. And its definitely eternal as you have clearly shown.
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