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Old 05-03-2016, 10:16 AM
 
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1 Corinthians 15English Standard Version (ESV)The Resurrection of Christ



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For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.



Isn't it interesting that Paul never mentions Mary Magdalene as being one of those who Jesus appeared to? In fact most of Jesus' appearance post-resurrection are ignored by Paul while some appear to be totally fabricated. For example where is the account in the Bible of Jesus appearing to 500 before appearing James and where is the account in the Bible of Jesus appearing to James alone before appearing to all 12 of the apostles? Most Christians claim Paul was just giving a partial account of Jesus' post-resurrection appearance but Paul is making a statement of fact and as such his list should either be complete or he should acknowledge that he is only listing those he knows of and that there might be other. But certainly Jesus' appearance to Mary Magdalene was so well known Paul couldn't have missed it. Jesus' appearance to Mary Magdalene shows up in three of the four gospel accounts.


All the more reason to suspect Paul was merely inventing this stuff as he went along.
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Old 05-03-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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Absolutely not.

Paul was speaking to his audience, in Corinth.
He mentioned whomever they had already heard of
or experienced, as the Apostles were already spread
out into various parts of the Empire and beyond.
Back in the old days, like the time of Christ, plain women
were not considered to be of the same magnitude socially
as men were. It is actually just one of the many reasons
that the Gospel accounts of what happened do not exibit
any of the characteristics of a fraudulent story that it was
women who first met the Resurrected Christ.
Mary Magdalene's travels took her to Gaul.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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Thrillobyte - Part of the problem is that this is simply presuppositions of what you think should have occurred.

Paul did not write in accordance with what you want or expect - therefore it's false. This is your basis for saying why Paul is inventing information.

Pretty weak.
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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That's a reasonable answer. Paul shows little concern with Jesus' life, apart from a mention of the Last Supper. I do find myself puzzled as to why he doesn't.

but the Op points up a discrepancy between what Paul does report about the appearances and the way the Gospels describe it.
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Old 05-03-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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That's a reasonable answer. Paul shows little concern with Jesus' life, apart from a mention of the Last Supper. I do find myself puzzled as to why he doesn't.

but the Op points up a discrepancy between what Paul does report about the appearances and the way the Gospels describe it.
The reason Paul says very little concerning Christ as He lived on earth is because Paul got his information from the risen Christ, not Christ as He walked the earth. We believers of the nations are not to follow Christ prior to His resurrection and ascension, but after His resurrection and ascension.
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Old 05-03-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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The reason Paul says very little concerning Christ as He lived on earth is because Paul got his information from the risen Christ, not Christ as He walked the earth. We believers of the nations are not to follow Christ prior to His resurrection and ascension, but after His resurrection and ascension.
That is actually quite cogent and insightful, Eusebius.
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:32 PM
 
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That's a reasonable answer. Paul shows little concern with Jesus' life, apart from a mention of the Last Supper. I do find myself puzzled as to why he doesn't.

but the Op points up a discrepancy between what Paul does report about the appearances and the way the Gospels describe it.
At that time - being that Paul was probably among those who had Jesus put up on the cross, he would not have the same perspective as the gospel writers.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:05 PM
 
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Absolutely not.

Paul was speaking to his audience, in Corinth.
He mentioned whomever they had already heard of
or experienced, as the Apostles were already spread
out into various parts of the Empire and beyond.
Back in the old days, like the time of Christ, plain women
were not considered to be of the same magnitude socially
as men were. It is actually just one of the many reasons
that the Gospel accounts of what happened do not exibit
any of the characteristics of a fraudulent story that it was
women who first met the Resurrected Christ.
Mary Magdalene's travels took her to Gaul.
Where in the world do you come up with this stuff?...
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Old 05-04-2016, 02:31 AM
 
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1 Corinthians 15English Standard Version (ESV)The Resurrection of Christ



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Isn't it interesting that Paul never mentions Mary Magdalene as being one of those who Jesus appeared to? In fact most of Jesus' appearance post-resurrection are ignored by Paul while some appear to be totally fabricated. For example where is the account in the Bible of Jesus appearing to 500 before appearing James and where is the account in the Bible of Jesus appearing to James alone before appearing to all 12 of the apostles? Most Christians claim Paul was just giving a partial account of Jesus' post-resurrection appearance but Paul is making a statement of fact and as such his list should either be complete or he should acknowledge that he is only listing those he knows of and that there might be other. But certainly Jesus' appearance to Mary Magdalene was so well known Paul couldn't have missed it. Jesus' appearance to Mary Magdalene shows up in three of the four gospel accounts.


All the more reason to suspect Paul was merely inventing this stuff as he went along.
Thrillo

Paul writings should never be taken on the surface. The listing by Paul were not in order of how they occurred but in order for his audience at that time to absorb.

By the way, who says Mary Magdaldne was not among the 500?

There are so many disputations on Paul's gospels, but the devil is in the interpretation we give it. For Instance, some interprete "caught up" to mean rapture, but Paul had used the word before In describing his visit to the third heaven. Was Paul raptured then?
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Old 05-04-2016, 06:49 AM
 
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There's a simple reason for this. Paul's ministry began around 36AD. That is way before before the Gospels of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John were written, which ranged from about 70 AD onward.

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