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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
So David Koresh and Jim Jones were indeed christians as they claimed and said they believed?
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I don't know. God knows - and He has dealt with them accordingly. Just like the person in your OP.
There are people who openly reject the things of God - we know where they are.
There are people who say they are Christians, but I get an idea where I believe they are after some back and forth. Sometimes these people will say they are leaving the family of God and quitting Christianity - but most likely they were never truly in the family of God... they only self-proclaimed themselves to be Christians. Sometimes, these people can be hard to identify... often their Chrsitianity is based on what they do, and not what they believe.
There are people that are in the family of God that have backtracked and done wrong. They possess the Holy Spirit, but are not listening to Him. Those are the ones that can be hard to identify. Those that backtrack grieve the heart of God.
Then those who are in the family of God have the Holy Spirit and are more or less living for God. There should be a regular back and forth relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. Sins are committed, but there is a desire to return to God and grow in the faith.
These are just my opinions, and I assume are all not 100% accurate - but it works for me until God tells me different.
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"By their fruits shall ye know them". a not real christian will produce rotten fruit and, from a Real Christian you will get good, clean, wholesome fruit. Or the other way around.
