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Old 05-12-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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It was too bad that Sodom and Gomorrah had no warning before it was destroyed, oh wait a minute maybe I am wrong, maybe it came down to a confession by the few to salvage the place.
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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What does loving your enemy have to do with one's status as a child of God or a child of the devil? A willful sinner is the latter -- as it is written.
It means that they are obedient to the will of Jesus Christ. Your beliefs are about words, not deeds.

John Bunyan wrote a book entitled Pilgrim's Progress in 1678, To paraphrase a line from that great book:

"Those who profess faith are great prattlers and talkers and disputers but do little of anything that bespeaks love to the poor or self-denial in outward things. Many think religion is made up of words, a very wide mistake."

TALKING about Jesus is a kind of performance that becomes the product--if we recommend what is good, then of course, we ourselves must be good. Words can be a form of action, but they can also be a substitute for action. Talking about love is not the same as loving. And what does Scripture say about it?

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And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well.
I John 4:21

But you would ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?" And then you would narrow down who your brother is to keep it in the same small circle of justification.

You and jeff enjoy condemning the LGBTQ community. But the world is not changed by those who condemn. It is changed by those who act.

How can you come close to loving your enemy, if you won't even get to the point of loving people you don't even know?
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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It means that they are obedient to the will of Jesus Christ. Your beliefs are about words, not deeds.

John Bunyan wrote a book entitled Pilgrim's Progress in 1678, To paraphrase a line from that great book:

"Those who profess faith are great prattlers and talkers and disputers but do little of anything that bespeaks love to the poor or self-denial in outward things. Many think religion is made up of words, a very wide mistake."

TALKING about Jesus is a kind of performance that becomes the product--if we recommend what is good, then of course, we ourselves must be good. Words can be a form of action, but they can also be a substitute for action. Talking about love is not the same as loving. And what does Scripture say about it?

I John 4:21

But you would ask, "Am I my brother's keeper?" And then you would narrow down who your brother is to keep it in the same small circle of justification.

You and jeff enjoy condemning the LGBTQ community. But the world is not changed by those who condemn. It is changed by those who act.

How can you come close to loving your enemy, if you won't even get to the point of loving people you don't even know?
Hmm so you are telling him he should love his enemy, yet you yourself said:
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jeff, you are good enough to be a homosexual--don't repress yourself and don't let that hateful community of Pharisees you hang with tell you anything different.
Isn't that being scornful and condemning towards others? Think about it..
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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The OP is correct.

2Pe_2:6 and condemns the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, reducing them to cinders by an overthrow, having placed them as an example for those about to be irreverent:"
Jud_1:7 As Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner to these committing ultra-prostitution, and coming away after other flesh, are lying before us, a specimen, experiencing the justice of fire eonian."
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:09 PM
 
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If you are going to play that game then one must wonder why atheists and people like you only seem to care about gay people and EXTREMELY defensive of them. You know there are other groups that face much worse discrimination out there than gay people, right? Why don't you campaign for their equality?
All Christians should care about the gay and lesbian. But jeff, I sometimes wonder if a lot of atheists don't want there to be a God so they can do their homosexual stuff without guilt? I'm not saying that is how it is but it has crossed my huge mind from time to time.
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Old 05-12-2016, 12:28 PM
 
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Seriously? Do we really need to beat this dead horse again, or was one locked over 150+ page thread on this subject not enough? Peace
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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It was too bad that Sodom and Gomorrah had no warning before it was destroyed, oh wait a minute maybe I am wrong, maybe it came down to a confession by the few to salvage the place.
well put. God will always have a remant.
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Old 05-12-2016, 02:02 PM
 
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well put. God will always have a remant.
what's a remant?
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Old 05-12-2016, 03:29 PM
 
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All Christians should care about the gay and lesbian. But jeff, I sometimes wonder if a lot of atheists don't want there to be a God so they can do their homosexual stuff without guilt? I'm not saying that is how it is but it has crossed my huge mind from time to time.
'Do their homosexual stuff'...
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Old 05-12-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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A willful sinner is not a child of God; as it is written, he or she is a child of the devil.
And the devil is a child of...?
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