Sodom & Gomorrah - The sin was sodomy, not inhospitality (Leviticus, abominations)
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Excellent! Let's bring Jesus into the discussion. I'm a big fan of Jesus. Yes, let's talk about Jesus. He said to put down your stones.
Did you miss that part because the 'gay' parts get all your attention?
Now we are talking. Scgraham believes proving what he thinks is sin is truth. Jesus said he is the truth and the same bible he says he believes, also says in him(Jesus) there is no sin. So how can knowing what sin is be truth or found in truth, because there is no sin in truth ?.
For such hypocrisy believers are leaving Christianity(not departing from the faith) in large numbers.
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins, including homosexuality. Now, some people say that Sodom's sin was inhospitality. While there are many Scriptures to debunk that, here is one that is affirmative.
Deuteronomy 23
[17] There shall be no whor**** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
As you can see, this verse is purely about sexual conduct.
So, stop doing those things, and you will be fine. It seems fundamentalist ideologues have difficulty controlling themselves.
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins, including homosexuality. Now, some people say that Sodom's sin was inhospitality. While there are many Scriptures to debunk that, here is one that is affirmative.
Deuteronomy 23
[17] There shall be no whor**** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
As you can see, this verse is purely about sexual conduct.
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins, including homosexuality. Now, some people say that Sodom's sin was inhospitality. While there are many Scriptures to debunk that, here is one that is affirmative.
Deuteronomy 23
[17] There shall be no whor**** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
As you can see, this verse is purely about sexual conduct.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
No...A Sodomite was merely one from Sodom...
Well, actually the inhabitants of Sodom are not referred to in the Bible as "Sodomites". A sodomite was a shrine temple prostitute. So. when we read, for example, in 1 Kings 14:24 "there were also sodomites in the land", the text is telling us that "there were also male cultic prostitutes in the land."
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins, including homosexuality.
Simple request. Chapter and verse ...please.
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Originally Posted by scgraham
Now, some people say that Sodom's sin was inhospitality. While there are many Scriptures to debunk that . . .
Again, simple request. Present the 'many' scriptures that debunk the claim that Sodom's sin (among others) was its lack of hospitality. YOU started the thread. Now, back up your claims with scripture. Do you know who pretty much affirmed that Sodom's sin was its lack of hospitality? It was Jesus. Read Matthew 10:14-15.
Then, of course, as has already been pointed out to you by Warden, read also Ezekiel 16:48-50 which actually GIVES US THE REASON why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. You will note that 'sodomy' (are you using this term as representing homosexuality?) is mentioned nowhere.
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Originally Posted by scgraham
here is one that is affirmative.
Deuteronomy 23
[17] There shall be no whor**** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
As you can see, this verse is purely about sexual conduct.
A little bit of advice from someone who is always in the process of learning something new about many things himself. Before you start a debate thread make sure that you can handle responses from those who may know more about the topic than you do. The above scripture you gave has nothing to do with homosexual or heterosexual sex per se but with the command that "no Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute."
- ● Gen 18:20 . .Then the Lord said: The outrage of Sodom and Gomorrah is so great, and their sin so grave!
It's true that the people of Sodom indulged in sexual impurity; but that's not the only thing about their manner of life that chafed God.
They weren't just your every-day, average garden variety of sinners. According to Gen 13:13, they were not only very wicked sinners; but very wicked sinners "against The Lord"; in other words: they were insolent; which Webster's defines as: exhibiting boldness or effrontery; viz: impudence.
People like that are defiant to the bone-- they make a point of standing up to others and asserting their independence and they don't care whose feelings get hurt by it.
Some of The Lord's statements, spoken to shame His people, shed additional light on the nature of Sodom's wickedness.
● Isa 3:8-9 . . For Jerusalem has stumbled, and Judah has fallen, because their speech and their actions are against The Lord, to rebel against His glorious presence. The expression of their faces bears witness against them, and they display their sin like Sodom; they do not even conceal it.
● Jer 23:14 . .What I see in the prophets of Jerusalem is something horrifying: adultery and false dealing. They encourage evildoers, so that no one turns back from his wickedness. To Me they are all like Sodom, and [all] its inhabitants like Gomorrah.
● Ezk 16:49-50 . . Only this was the sin of your sister Sodom: arrogance! She and her daughters had plenty of bread and untroubled tranquility; yet she did not support the poor and the needy. In their haughtiness, they committed abomination before Me; and so I removed them, as you saw.
Sodom is widely reputed for its carnal depravity. but as you can see from those passages above, they were a whole lot more unrighteous than that. One of the most interesting of their sins was that they did nothing to discourage wickedness. They actually applauded evildoers and encouraged them to keep it up. Added to that was arrogance, and a lack of charity-- indifference to the plight of the poor --and haughtiness, dishonesty, partiality, insulting the glory and dignity of God, and bragging about their sins.
FYI: One of the Sodomites sins was dishonesty; which nowadays is a hell-worthy behavior.
● Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
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Conservatives need the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to justify two core beliefs.
1) That homosexuality is a worse sin than all of the others
2) That God will destroy any society that tolerates it, so you better vote for them and they will take care of the "gay problem."
Sodom and Gomorrah had many sins, including homosexuality. Now, some people say that Sodom's sin was inhospitality. While there are many Scriptures to debunk that, here is one that is affirmative.
Deuteronomy 23
[17] There shall be no whor**** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
As you can see, this verse is purely about sexual conduct.
The sin of destruction was their supposed violent rape-wishes (although in reality it was a joke on the word for interrogation). To "know" a woman in Jewish slang was to have sex with her, but to the Sodomites making sure no spies were in their lands, it would have been a not so funny inside joke.
Sodom and Gamorah had "sin" (guilt) up to their ears with all of their "wrong things" [that they did to "protected" Jews] not just the sex related ones.
They also probably allowed whores both male and female, being rich cities seeking to let the desperate find their own way on their own boot straps. I think in the context of a ***** being a daughter and a sodomite being a son, it is clear that they mean a gigolo. They also compare it to a "paid *****" and a "dog with a price" meaning that sodomite males to the author in that particular instance were "dogs that charged [for sex/being sexually owned]."
Basically "No true Scotsgirl is a *****!" and "No true Scotsman is a gigolo (male-prostitute)!"
It would make no sense otherwise because then the author would be disallowing female prostitution but allowing male prostitution in Israel, just in order to ban the (likely less of a publicly visible problem) tiny amounts of private homosexuality.
Homosexuality would have been frowned upon by conservative-minded and accepted kindly by liberal-minded even back then, and even among nonJewish pagans. Sex for money would have been something every large group could ban/shun together.
The book of Ezekiel purports that the only sin of Sodom was arrogance, mainly in not supporting the poor.
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The book of Ezekiel purports that the only sin of Sodom was arrogance, mainly in not supporting the poor.
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In the Hebrew Bible, Sodom was a city destroyed by God because of the evil of its inhabitants. No specific sin is given as the reason for God's great wrath. The story of the Sodom's destruction — and of Abraham's failed attempt to intercede with God and prevent that destruction — appears in Genesis 18-19.
It looks a lot like 'sodomy' was not the sin.
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