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Old 05-14-2016, 07:58 PM
 
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The similarities just seem too striking. Brahma's wife was Saraswati; Abraham's wife was Sara. A tributary of the Sarasvati River is the Ghaggar tributary (Haggar, servant-tributary of Sara/Saraswati.

This is more than just coincidence. The Abraham legend has to derive from the legend of Brahma/Saraswati/Ghaggar.
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Old 05-14-2016, 09:20 PM
 
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And this is based on what? Two names? Without otherwise any other connection?
You realize that ALL languages and names etc come from a pra-language that gave birth to all of them? Hence similarities like this are very common but quite meaningless? Simple example. How many languages of the world have "ma" in their equivalents of the word mother, pronounced ma(h)- ther?
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Old 05-14-2016, 09:32 PM
 
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Old 05-14-2016, 09:59 PM
 
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And this is based on what? Two names? Without otherwise any other connection?
You realize that ALL languages and names etc come from a pra-language that gave birth to all of them? Hence similarities like this are very common but quite meaningless? Simple example. How many languages of the world have "ma" in their equivalents of the word mother, pronounced ma(h)- ther?
No, it's three names with two sentences worth of connection.
Did ancient Hebrew even have vowels?
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Old 05-14-2016, 10:24 PM
 
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And this is based on what? Two names? Without otherwise any other connection?
You realize that ALL languages and names etc come from a pra-language that gave birth to all of them? Hence similarities like this are very common but quite meaningless? Simple example. How many languages of the world have "ma" in their equivalents of the word mother, pronounced ma(h)- ther?
You can't write off a relationship between the names that flippantly simply because you want to wish the similarities away. The facts are the three names as they appear in the Hindu religion AND Jewish religion are just too close to be mere coincidence and given their parallels to each other only further confirms a relationship between all six names. Anyone with eyes can see that:

A-b-r-a-h-a-m spells Brahma missing one a

Saraswati, Brahma's wife---Sara, Abraham's wife

Ghaggar---Haggar

It is evident on its face that the Hebrews borrowed elements of the Brahma legend in order to construct the story of their own founding. Ur, where Abram (Brama--same letters) originated was a Chaldean province.

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In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister. The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)
But the anomalies don't end here. In India, a tributary of the river Saraisvati is Ghaggar. Another tributary of the same river is Hakra. According to Jewish traditions, Hagar was Sarai's maidservant; the Moslems say she was an Egyptian princess. Notice the similarities of Ghaggar, Hakra and Hagar.

The bible also states that Ishmael, son of Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.) It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."
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Old 05-15-2016, 04:09 AM
 
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Hindus probably borrowed the name , as they came up with Brahma in 1000 BC, where Abraham son of Terah was born around 2000 BC......... As Abraham or Brahma had sacred knowledge the Hindu recorded from their text ``Maitri Upanishad 5.2``....... See Hindus belief is pantheism , and today Jesus is another deity along with hundreds of Deity that many have today comes from foreign Gods that are claimed as true
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:12 AM
 
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Hindus probably borrowed the name , as they came up with Brahma in 1000 BC, where Abraham son of Terah was born around 2000 BC......... As Abraham or Brahma had sacred knowledge the Hindu recorded from their text ``Maitri Upanishad 5.2``....... See Hindus belief is pantheism , and today Jesus is another deity along with hundreds of Deity that many have today comes from foreign Gods that are claimed as true
Abraham derived from Brahma. Try taking off your "Jewish/Christianity is the only true religion" glasses and just look at the question neutrally without any preconceived prejudices. Josephus recognized the Jews were an offshoot of Hinduism:

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"In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)
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Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"
We can trace the belief in Brahma going as far east as Ur of the Chaldeans where Abraham is said by Genesis to have originated:

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Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant "place or town." Therefore, the bible was correct in stating that Abraham came from "Ur of the Chaldeans." "Chaldean," more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state of Kashmir. "The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)
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Old 05-15-2016, 01:14 PM
 
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Doesn't matter what Abraham was, what matters is what he became when the true G-d got ahold of him. Peace
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Old 05-15-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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Doesn't matter what Abraham was, what matters is what he became when the true G-d got ahold of him. Peace
You're saying, "It doesn't matter that the story of Abraham is derived from the Hindu holy scriptures. What matters is that Abraham somehow got incorporated by Hebrew tribemen into their religion and became their "Father Abraham". That would make Brahma and Vishnu their grandfathers, wouldn't it? I mean if Abraham's ancestors are Hindus.

But then what do we do with the fact that there is no more evidence that Abraham/Sara existed than there is evidence that Brahma/Saraswati existed. Abraham/Sara appear in the Torah, the Jew's holy book (supposedly dating to 1400 BC but in actuality dating from about 600 BC right before the Babylonian captivity) and Brahma/Saraswati appear in the four Vedas, the Hindu's holy book (dating from 1900 BC)

So again we are left with which legend derived from which legend. The dates clearly point to the Abraham/Sara legend deriving from the Brahma/Saraswati legend which preceded it by over 1000 years---or 500 years if you want to insist Moses wrote the Torah, which he didn't.
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Old 05-15-2016, 03:45 PM
 
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Poor poor thrillobyte ...
just like in basketball, what else can one feel after another OP from the same player that continues with a series of double dribble violations.
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