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There's a case history of a man in hell located at Luke 16:19-31. Aside from the obvious discomforts that are indigenous to that environment; the #1 thing on the man's mind were his surviving relatives. He was suffering anxiety they might share his fate and there was no way he could get a message out to let them know where he was.
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There's a case history of a man in hell located at Luke 16:19-31. Aside from the obvious discomforts that are indigenous to that environment; the #1 thing on the man's mind were his surviving relatives. He was suffering anxiety they might share his fate and there was no way he could get a message out to let them know where he was.
Luke 16 is about a man who rejected the priesthood,''Lazarus.''
Lazarus is the name of the priesthood and it became ill because a person chose wealth over the priesthood and so the dogs{gentiles} were licking at it's sores.
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There's a case history of a man in hell located at Luke 16:19-31. Aside from the obvious discomforts that are indigenous to that environment; the #1 thing on the man's mind were his surviving relatives. He was suffering anxiety they might share his fate and there was no way he could get a message out to let them know where he was.
This is a seriously offensive thread, it should be deleted, just like that Prince thread. Insinuating people are going to hell is not a cool thing at all, ESPECIALLY when you are talking about a person that millions of people love, and I dearly loved Prince and Ali.
Let's talk about where your dad goes, or somebody in your family, do you think that would be a cool thread? Let's talk about you and your chances seeing that you are brave enough to judge somebody else.
Salvation is NOT about public approval, good deeds or notoriety. It is, first and last, a living relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God.
If that relationship has been denied, then the dying are subject to the second death - hell.
It is not for any Christian to judge, but it IS our responsibility before God to warn of the consequences of denial of Jesus - failure to make peace with God.
Let us not forget that Ali gained his fame and fortune, not from good deeds and kind gestures but from beating the living daylights out of men who stood against him in the ring.
Ali was, first last and always, a man of violence who did NOT make peace with God insofar as his own testimony bears witness against him.
Therefore the Christian witness is an "if" and "then" argument. IF a man makes peace with God, THEN he will be welcome in heaven. IF a man does not make peace with God, THEN he will suffer the second death - a one way elevator ride to the depths of hell.
This is the essence of grace vs. pride, the nature of peace with God vs. peace with the world. You cannot have both, either you will love the one and hate the other or hate one and love the other. No man can serve two masters - worldly fame and heavenly salvation.
Salvation is NOT about public approval, good deeds or notoriety. It is, first and last, a living relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God.
If that relationship has been denied, then the dying are subject to the second death - hell.
It is not for any Christian to judge, but it IS our responsibility before God to warn of the consequences of denial of Jesus - failure to make peace with God.
Let us not forget that Ali gained his fame and fortune, not from good deeds and kind gestures but from beating the living daylights out of men who stood against him in the ring.
Ali was, first last and always, a man of violence who did NOT make peace with God insofar as his own testimony bears witness against him.
Therefore the Christian witness is an "if" and "then" argument. IF a man makes peace with God, THEN he will be welcome in heaven. IF a man does not make peace with God, THEN he will suffer the second death - a one way elevator ride to the depths of hell.
This is the essence of grace vs. pride, the nature of peace with God vs. peace with the world. You cannot have both, either you will love the one and hate the other or hate one and love the other. No man can serve two masters - worldly fame and heavenly salvation.
Salvation is NOT about public approval, good deeds or notoriety. It is, first and last, a living relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God.
If that relationship has been denied, then the dying are subject to the second death - hell.
It is not for any Christian to judge, but it IS our responsibility before God to warn of the consequences of denial of Jesus - failure to make peace with God.
Let us not forget that Ali gained his fame and fortune, not from good deeds and kind gestures but from beating the living daylights out of men who stood against him in the ring.
Ali was, first last and always, a man of violence who did NOT make peace with God insofar as his own testimony bears witness against him.
Therefore the Christian witness is an "if" and "then" argument. IF a man makes peace with God, THEN he will be welcome in heaven. IF a man does not make peace with God, THEN he will suffer the second death - a one way elevator ride to the depths of hell.
This is the essence of grace vs. pride, the nature of peace with God vs. peace with the world. You cannot have both, either you will love the one and hate the other or hate one and love the other. No man can serve two masters - worldly fame and heavenly salvation.
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Ali "gained" his status by FIGHTING for the marginalized, standing up for the oppressed, and demanding JUSTICE for all.
Being a good man is not a ticket to heaven. I liked and respected this man very much. Only God knows for sure, but if Ali chose allah instead of Jesus- he's in hell.
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Some may feel that hell isn't an appropriate topic at a funeral. But I think that, other than Xmas and Easter, you couldn't pick a better time to bring it up, especially since Christ said that the majority is headed in that direction. (Matt 7:13-14, Matt 22:14, Luke 13:22-24)
As I watched some of the splendor and pomp of President Gerald Ford's funeral back in January of 2007, I couldn't help but wonder if he was in a position to really appreciate it; as I suspect people in hell would certainly no longer really care anymore whether they were given an unknown pauper's disposal in a city incinerator, or reverently placed in a grand tomb in the National Cemetery with world-wide television coverage.
● Ecc 7:2 . . It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of gaiety, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this seriously.
My understanding is that Muhammad Ali renounced Christianity in 1964. Apparently he had been raised as a Baptist. This implies that at one time he had received Jesus as Savior. If that is the case, if indeed he at one time did place his faith in Christ Jesus, then he is in heaven, because you cannot lose your salvation. And yes, the Bible has it right.
One cannot claim Jesus AND allah. True, we cannot lose our salvation, and only God knows a mans heart. We cannot have it both ways. I don't know Ali's heart, but believing in allah isn't going to get it done for anyone.
One cannot claim Jesus AND allah. True, we cannot lose our salvation, and only God knows a mans heart. We cannot have it both ways.
However, once a person has received Jesus as Savior, He is eternally saved even if he then turns around and rejects Jesus. Once a person has been born again, there is nothing he can do to lose his salvation. He can lose rewards, but not his eternal life.
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