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The next time a fundamentalist blowhard throws that argument your way simply neutralize it with this:
"What does it mean to commit a crime against someone? Does the essence of a crime not lie in harm? Not all harm done to a person rises to the standard of a crime, but it cannot be said that you have committed a crime against someone if they have not been harmed in any way. But God, by his nature, can never be harmed. According to the monotheistic religions, God is omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect; he lacks nothing, he needs nothing, and certainly he cannot be injured or diminished in any way by anything a human being could ever do. Therefore, it is impossible to commit any crime against him at all, much less an infinite one. We may harm ourselves, or other people, but we can never harm God, and it defies justice to pay back an act that causes zero harm with an act that causes infinite harm."
The reasoning is by the very fact that you are human means you are a sinner. If you were not a sinner you wouldn't die. I guess plants are sinners too. POTATO
The next time a fundamentalist blowhard throws that argument your way simply neutralize it with this:
"What does it mean to commit a crime against someone? Does the essence of a crime not lie in harm? Not all harm done to a person rises to the standard of a crime, but it cannot be said that you have committed a crime against someone if they have not been harmed in any way. But God, by his nature, can never be harmed. According to the monotheistic religions, God is omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect; he lacks nothing, he needs nothing, and certainly he cannot be injured or diminished in any way by anything a human being could ever do. Therefore, it is impossible to commit any crime against him at all, much less an infinite one. We may harm ourselves, or other people, but we can never harm God, and it defies justice to pay back an act that causes zero harm with an act that causes infinite harm."
The next time a fundamentalist blowhard throws that argument your way simply neutralize it with this:
"What does it mean to commit a crime against someone? Does the essence of a crime not lie in harm? Not all harm done to a person rises to the standard of a crime, but it cannot be said that you have committed a crime against someone if they have not been harmed in any way. But God, by his nature, can never be harmed. According to the monotheistic religions, God is omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect; he lacks nothing, he needs nothing, and certainly he cannot be injured or diminished in any way by anything a human being could ever do. Therefore, it is impossible to commit any crime against him at all, much less an infinite one. We may harm ourselves, or other people, but we can never harm God, and it defies justice to pay back an act that causes zero harm with an act that causes infinite harm."
The reason that sin results in a fallen state which man by his own efforts is helpless to undo, and therefore requires fallen mankind to remain in a permanent state of separation from God apart from God acting in grace to provide a remedy for fallen mankind's hopeless condition is because since God is absolute and perfect righteousness He requires no less than perfect righteousness on the part of any who would have an eternal relationship with Him. God has standards. His standard is absolute perfection. Sin made it impossible for fallen mankind to meet God's standard of perfection. Once fallen, man cannot restore himself to an unfallen state.
God created man in an unfallen state. But sin resulted in a fall from that unfallen state and resulted in fallen man having an imperfect and relative righteousness which has no compatibility with God's perfect righteousness. While mankind could fall from an unfallen state, once having fallen he can do nothing to restore his relationship with God. For that reason, God's righteousness demands the penalty of permanent separation of man from Himself. Despite the fact that God loved Adam, He had no choice but to condemn Adam which resulted in Adam dying spiritually. But because God did love Adam, He provided the solution to the problem of sin.
God's righteousness is the principle of His integrity while His justice is the function of His integrity. What divine righteousness demands, divine justice must execute. Since sin is a violation of God's righteousness, divine justice was required to condemn Adam and all of mankind which was seminally in Adam and of which Adam was the federal head.
God's solution was for He Himself to pay the penalty for sin which fallen mankind could never pay, by commissioning the Second Person of the Godhead to take upon Himself true humanity and as a man, go to the cross where He would take our sins upon Himself and be judged for those sins in our place. Christ Jesus is both eternal and infinite God and true humanity in one Person. He died not as God, but as man. But since He is God, His death as a man had infinite worth and was able to satisfy the righteous demands of the Father.
This put man into a savable state so that anyone who simply places His faith in the finished redemptive work of Christ on the cross is credited with the perfect righteousness of Christ and given eternal life. A person must place his faith in Christ in order to be imputed with Christ's righteousness and given eternal life because God requires an acknowledgment on the part of a person that he can do nothing to save himself but must depend upon Christ Jesus. Though Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of the world, it is made clear in Romans chapters 3-5 that man is credited with the righteousness of Christ when he places his faith in Him. No one is eternally saved without having received the righteousness of Christ at the point of faith in Him.
No amount of suffering in the lake of fire, whatever the nature of that place is, can raise the level of fallen man's imperfect righteousness to a perfect unfallen status. There is no purgatory. If by suffering anyone could be made righteous in God's eyes, Jesus would never have had to go to the cross to die for our sins.
John 3:36 states, ''He wo believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Whoever believes on Christ Jesus has eternal life now, in the present. He will die physically, but he has an eternal relationship with God that can never be severed. But when a person dies without having received Christ as Savior, he will not see life. That is, although he will have unending existence he will never enter into a saved relationship with God. He will not have eternal life. He will only have unending existence spiritually separated from God.
God is on your side. It's the devil you need saved from
God still made the rules from the beginning. Even if it is the devil that supposedly does all the torturing to 90-99% of all humanity for "all eternity", God got to decide his power and how long the duration and probably new well in advance what would happen...its his chessboard and his rules and his allowed punishments for what we were 'born into' to begin with.
God still made the rules from the beginning. Even if it is the devil that supposedly does all the torturing to 90-99% of all humanity for "all eternity", God got to decide his power and how long the duration and probably new well in advance what would happen...its his chessboard and his rules and his allowed punishments for what we were 'born into' to begin with.
Satan is cast into the lake of fire like everyone else. The fictional God is the sole tormentor in the fictional hell.
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