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The point being I don't go for doublespeak and triplespeak and quadruplespeak like what's found in the Bible. The Bible should mean what it says and say what it means. There should be no hidden meanings and cryptic crap and other shenanigans. It either states what it wants us to understand in plain English or it's worthless. To me, anyway.
Who says? You? And you have the authority to declare that, do you? Show me your authority then, over my heaven and my earth, because the One who does have that authority, already showed me. Peace
It either states what it wants us to understand in plain English or it's worthless. To me, anyway.
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Who says? You? And you have the authority to declare that, do you? Show me your authority then, over my heaven and my earth, because the One who does have that authority, already showed me. Peace
Yes, he decides what is worthless to him. He has the authority to do that.
Yes, he decides what is worthless to him. He has the authority to do that.
He also plainly stated what the bible should and should not say, and how it should say it, and THAT is what I was contending with. Of course, he can declare gold worthless too, if he wants to, no argument with that point. Peace
So Luke says if I speak against Jesus by saying, "I don't believe Jesus was divine" I will be forgiven for that per Luke 12:10, but if I say, "I don't believe Jesus was divine" I will NOT be forgiven because Jesus will then deny me before the Father. Or can Jesus deny me before his Father and God will still not judge me? Which again doesn't make sense because why does Jesus even have to draw the Father into it because in Matthew 28:18 Jesus said
So if Jesus has been given all authority, presumably that includes the power to forgive sins, so Jesus shouldn't even be dragging the Father into it as he does in Matthew 10:33.
As I and others have said, contradictions in the gospels can be found all over the place if you just take off the rose-colored glasses and read the Bible critically.
There are many such examples.
I think there was more than one Jesus
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It either states what it wants us to understand in plain English or it's worthless. To me, anyway.
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Originally Posted by Rbbi1 Who says? You? And you have the authority to declare that, do you? Show me your authority then, over my heaven and my earth, because the One who does have that authority, already showed me. Peace
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Yes, he decides what is worthless to him. He has the authority to do that.
Again, Pleroo, my point was taken out of context or completely misinterpreted.
Let's look at what Jesus told his disciples. Mark 4:10-12:
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When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you [only]. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!"
So let's analyze this. Jesus came here to earth to teach people how to live righteously.
Or did he?????????????????
In actuality, Jesus states bald-faced that he did NOT come here to teach but, apparently to deceive. Read his words.
"To you, my disciples alone it is given to understand the mysteries of the kingdom. But to people outside our circle (the rest of the world I would gather) it is NOT given them to understand the truth I teach because if they did understand they would turn from their sins and be forgiven"
So in effect, Jesus is saying, "If people understood what I was saying I'd have to forgive their sin and I don't want to do that!"
So why did Jesus bother to come if he says flat-out, "I don't want outsiders understanding what I have to say so I'm going to cloak my teachings in confusing parables that nobody but you can understand"?
This is what I mean about a gospel being so deliberately confusing with doublespeak and so incomprehensible that it is of no worth, at least to me. If I can't understand what Jesus is saying because he is purposely trying to confuse then what use is it to me?
Granted he explains this parable of the sower, but how many dozens of others does he not? How many of us haven't the vaguest clue what he is trying to teach in some of these parables? The parable of the rich man and Lazarus for example. How many people here still actually think it is a teaching about going to hell? Incredibly, most people.
Again, Pleroo, my point was taken out of context or completely misinterpreted.
I know. And I have no issue with your decision that it is worthless to you. None. There are way WAY more important things to spend one's time on than attempting to suss out supposed bible code.
I know. And I have no issue with your decision that it is worthless to you. None. There are way WAY more important things to spend one's time on than attempting to suss out supposed bible code.
I wasn't referring specifically to you, Pleroo. No offense intended. I was referring to all the people who have commented who just don't get what I'm trying to say, that if the gospels and Jesus' words cannot express itself in any way except confusing enigmas wrapped in perplexing parables that of what use is it. Others might be able to cut through the bull and know exactly what Jesus is saying. More power to them.
I wasn't referring specifically to you, Pleroo. No offense intended. I was referring to all the people who have commented who just don't get what I'm trying to say, that if the gospels and Jesus' words cannot express itself in any way except confusing enigmas wrapped in perplexing parables that of what use is it. Others might be able to cut through the bull and know exactly what Jesus is saying. More power to them.
No offense taken.
More power to them, I guess. But, there is nothing about what they say that compels me to desire what they think they have. They complicate beyond recognition what, to me, is the simplest thing there could be: love.
And when a person says that they desire to honor love above all else, the Complicators mock and belittle and try to make that person feel worthless and foolish for it. Or worse, they say that a such a person is just desiring to live in sin, or is satan's spawn, and that that person is God's enemy and deserving of eternal punishment. And then they claim that they and other Complicators like themselves have exclusive right to "the Holy Spirit", that they are God's chosen, or that they alone understand the "deep things of God". But I read their posts and I KNOW that whatever it is that they think they have, is not worth having.
More power to them, I guess. But, there is nothing about what they say that compels me to desire what they think they have. They complicate beyond recognition what, to me, is the simplest thing there could be: love.
And when a person says that they desire to honor love above all else, the Complicators mock and belittle and try to make that person feel worthless and foolish for it. Or worse, they say that a such a person is just desiring to live in sin, or is satan's spawn, and that that person is God's enemy and deserving of eternal punishment. And then they claim that they and other Complicators like themselves have exclusive right to "the Holy Spirit", that they are God's chosen, or that they alone understand the "deep things of God". But I read their posts and I KNOW that whatever it is that they think they have, is not worth having.
lmao, I agree
having rights to the holy spirit is like having rights to sunshine. Run naked on an africian plain, she what the holy spirit is capable of. It "loves", thats true enough. it is humans that say the evil lion ate the poor little believing guy.
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Incredibly, most people. 
