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So the question is always asked: "Why did God create sin?"
"He didn't," you reply. "Sin is a result of man having free will."
Okay, so the whole 'tree in the garden' setup was because God wanted Adam and Eve to freely choose Him and they chose... poorly. Bummer for us.
But then we are told about the end of days, where God will 'destroy' sin and death and all the righteous will live in a New Earth which will have no tears, sadness or sin.
So how can God set up a world in the future where there's no sin and presumably free will but He couldn't just set that up in the first place?
I feel like there's a logical contradiction here and I would like to hear some opinions on this from other Christians.
So the question is always asked: "Why did God create sin?"
"He didn't," you reply. "Sin is a result of man having free will."
Okay, so the whole 'tree in the garden' setup was because God wanted Adam and Eve to freely choose Him and they chose... poorly. Bummer for us.
But then we are told about the end of days, where God will 'destroy' sin and death and all the righteous will live in a New Earth which will have no tears, sadness or sin.
So how can God set up a world in the future where there's no sin and presumably free will but He couldn't just set that up in the first place?
I feel like there's a logical contradiction here and I would like to hear some opinions on this from other Christians.
What happened in the Garden was necessary in order for man to grow out of infancy...
Again, these are very nice thoughts, but I was looking for a more doctrinal perspective. As it is these responses have just been baseless platitudes.
You are limiting your thinking to the "precepts and doctrines of men" that is why you do not understand. Each and every one of our species MUST learn the difference between Good and Evil, right and wrong, as the FIRST of our species did. It was our species' first lesson toward spiritual maturity, It is the essential lesson in any spiritual life or nothing else is possible.
You are limiting your thinking to the "precepts and doctrines of men" that is why you do not understand. Each and every one of our species MUST learn the difference between Good and Evil, right and wrong, as the FIRST of our species did. It was our species' first lesson toward spiritual maturity, It is the essential lesson in any spiritual life or nothing else is possible.
No. The reason I don't understand is because people like you and the rest of your ilk insist on creating a religion out of thin air and claiming it to be gospel truth. You say things such as 'it was' and 'it is' like you are speaking from some position of authority when your claims are not based in any authority other than your own imagination.
I am specifically asking for a discussion based on accepted Christian doctrine and theology, not any single persons anecdotal thoughts or fabricated, baseless opinions.
You are limiting your thinking to the "precepts and doctrines of men" that is why you do not understand. Each and every one of our species MUST learn the difference between Good and Evil, right and wrong, as the FIRST of our species did. It was our species' first lesson toward spiritual maturity, It is the essential lesson in any spiritual life or nothing else is possible.
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Originally Posted by JJ_Maxx
No. The reason I don't understand is because people like you and the rest of your ilk insist on creating a religion out of thin air and claiming it to be gospel truth. You say things such as 'it was' and 'it is' like you are speaking from some position of authority when your claims are not based in any authority other than your own imagination.
I am specifically asking for a discussion based on accepted Christian doctrine and theology, not any single persons anecdotal thoughts or fabricated, baseless opinions.
Your Christian doctrine and theology is fabricated by men interpreting scripture under the mistaken notion that it is the 100% word of God. But it only CONTAINS inspirations from God interpreted by fallible and ignorant men using their biases, superstitions, and barbaric beliefs about God. My views are from the Scriptures augmented by 21st-century knowledge and understanding and the guidance of the Comforter and His Holy Spirit of agape love. There are no baseless opinions.
God created mankind in His own image for an eternal, love-based relationship with Himself. A love-based relationship is impossible unless one has the free-will to either accept or reject God's love and relationship. In order to reject God and His love, an alternative must exist. Satan and sin, were created as that alternative to fill the vacuum created by one's unwillingness to believe and trust God, with lies and deceit.
God limits Satan's authority and power to lies and deceit - and does not allow Satan to 'force' mankind to reject God's truth and love. On balance, God does not force mankind to believe Him or trust Jesus Christ. Yet, God declares those who suppress His truth, "without excuse."
Sin and the rejection of God's love in Christ is a free-will choice. But, God did not allow mankind to simply sin and die. Instead, by His grace alone, He offers forgiveness, salvation and life to all who will repent and turn from sin and accept Christ's "sin payment" on their behalf. But, many love sin more than God, even though "death is the just wages of sin." (So it was in the Garden of Eden, when God told Adam and Eve they would die, but, they chose death over obedience).
Sin is not the cause of Spiritual death, nor is Spiritual death a punishment. People are born into this fleshly world without Spiritual life, which is imparted by the Holy Spirit to those who believe God and trust Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord. Those who spend this entire lifetime without Jesus Christ, continue on in the Spiritual death they lived with for this lifetime.
Some suggest that "after" this life, many will then choose to bow their knee to Christ and be saved. That's not true. A person who has lived 50-years, has had 18,000 opportunities (at only one per day), to bow their knee to Christ and be saved. It's given to each person to die once ... and then the judgment.
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