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We could go with more aware but would that amount to having free will? If both people were the same amount of aware and would make the same choice are they really exercising free will?
If everyone was equally aware and would then make the same choice would it correct to say that our decision was based on free will?
Ah, now we are questioning whether ther IS such a thing as "free will." Put it this way, if at some level we do not have the capability to make an informed choice, who is responsible?
Ah, now we are questioning whether ther IS such a thing as "free will." Put it this way, if at some level we do not have the capability to make an informed choice, who is responsible?
now, just imagine your kid saying, "it doesn't matter what i do, because my dad already knows what i am going to do anyway" to see the deficiency in the pov.
It still matters what your children do. You can't allow thwm to hurt people. So you correct them or restrain them so that they don't hurt people.
The Word also says that His Spirit will not tarry (meaning to stay behind instead of moving with the Spirit) with man always. What that means is, if after repeated attempts to divert your course, if you still want your will and not His, He will give you the desires of your heart for a season until you are sick of it. This is why sin satisfies FOR A SEASON, because men are like trees and the fruit they produce is visible for all to see, even themselves after a while. Peace
seems like a different subject, but i totally agree! amen! I might point out how this plays out irl, with some little story...
ok, you choose "making a living" instead of "relying on God," no problem, God is not stopping you; so now you got fake death swill in grocery stores for food, even the produce, the largest chemical maker is also the largest seed supplier, and you got "doctors" pretending "health" but really getting commissions for presiding over, primarily, cancer treatment, autism rates gonna be 1 in 2 in a minute, and you got basically Wal Mart as a way of life, cheap at the register, but it costs you $Billions a year to subsidize Wal Mart. And you're all either cancerous or sterile, and we are drone bombing the people who are not cancerous or sterile with your implied blessings, in your name. And God is not preventing any of that, you choose it.
well, i disagree. You are free to take those as signs, or you can continue on, swim the river where the bridge is washed out, etc. You have a choice, and i am suspicious of this "God is preventing my choice" thing on the merits. I have ignored signs before, ergo i had free will to do so.
I don't think God prevents anyone's choice either.
It still matters what your children do. You can't allow thwm to hurt people. So you correct them or restrain them so that they don't hurt people.
but this again assumes a punishment model, whereas a properly raised kid will not really need punishment, and sin will not be the focus. The kid's free will will be realized more in the manner of what it is they would like to create, once creating is instilled in them over destroying. witness toddlers--they are trying to help you to make, not go behind you and destroy. That comes later, after you have trained them into it.
I don't think God prevents anyone's choice either.
Didn't the Pharoah's story show you anything? When he would have chosen differently, G-d hardened his heart. The bottom line is, G-d is sovereign. Peace
Didn't the Pharoah's story show you anything? When he would have chosen differently, G-d hardened his heart. The bottom line is, G-d is sovereign. Peace
It could be looked at another way though. What if the natural state of the heart is to be hard? What if good can only exist if God gives it? So God didn't really harden Pharoahs heart He just didn't supply the energy necessary to keep it from being hardened.
In this case He didn't cause it, He just didn't keep it from happening.
ya, i'm not buying that God interfered with Pharaoh's free will there either; i even suspect a euphemism or something. I am kind of surprised that you two aren't arguing each other's side though! lol
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