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Again...he is attacking people for having an opinion. Yay for him and his "anti-bullying" stance.
No. You didn't read the rest of his blog entry, I guess. In his own words...
" I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against—and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying "motivated by faith")—because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong. Yet the same people who make that claim choose to ignore what the Bible has to say about a great deal else. I did not attack Christianity. I attacked hypocrisy. My remarks can only be read as an attack on all Christians if you believe that all Christians are hypocrites. Which I don't believe."
No. You didn't read the rest of his blog entry, I guess. In his own words...
" I was attacking the argument that gay people must be discriminated against—and anti-bullying programs that address anti-gay bullying should be blocked (or exceptions should be made for bullying "motivated by faith")—because it says right there in the Bible that being gay is wrong. Yet the same people who make that claim choose to ignore what the Bible has to say about a great deal else. I did not attack Christianity. I attacked hypocrisy. My remarks can only be read as an attack on all Christians if you believe that all Christians are hypocrites. Which I don't believe."
I read that. He is attacking anyone that has that argument -- anyone that disagrees with him. Rather rudely and profanely, if I may add. Yay for him.
No, he's not attacking (present tense) people. He acknowledges that, in that instance, he stepped over the line and he apologized for those comments. (You believe in forgiveness for those who ask it, but not for him?) What he does, present tense, is attack faulty arguments and hypocrisy.
Certainly you are not saying that conservative Christians (including yourself) never disagree with or attack other people's ideas, beliefs, or arguments?
No, he's not attacking (present tense) people. He acknowledges that, in that instance, he stepped over the line and he apologized for those comments. (You believe in forgiveness for those who ask it, but not for him?) What he does, present tense, is attack faulty arguments and hypocrisy.
And by doing so he's saying that their opinion is not worthy. You don't see that the same guy that takes offense at people saying HIS opinion and behavior is not good is now doing the same to others?
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Certainly you are not saying that conservative Christians (including yourself) never disagree with or attack other people's ideas, beliefs, or arguments?
I am happy to debate and discuss. But I will not use profanity and call people name, while getting upset at them saying I'm wrong.
And by doing so he's saying that their opinion is not worthy. You don't see that the same guy that takes offense at people saying HIS opinion and behavior is not good is now doing the same to others?
The difference, Viz, is that you all are insisting that "behavior" (being gay), which does NOT negatively affect you, is not "worthy". He's calling out discriminatory behavior that DOES negatively affect those who are gay, as being unworthy of those who claim to be God's representatives on earth.
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I am happy to debate and discuss. But I will not use profanity and call people name, while getting upset at them saying I'm wrong.
Good for you. Not everyone, including many conservative Christians, is as perfect as you.
k, well i wouldn't get it twisted, homosexuals were being oppressed, by people calling themselves Christians, and although the pendulum will swing now so as to reflect even the militant ones, i think for the most part these people were just seeking equality, equal treatment. You might be fighting God here.
That may be but quoting what the Bible says is not anti-homosexual or bigoted.
The difference, Viz, is that you all are insisting that "behavior" (being gay), which does NOT negatively affect you, is not "worthy". He's calling out discriminatory behavior that DOES negatively affect those who are gay, as being unworthy of those who claim to be God's representatives on earth.
AND, I would add, without taking the trouble to investigate the rationale, especially how it fails in love in spite of the meme, "love the sinner, hate the sin," which was addresed above. Not because there is not a good argument, but because they don't WANT to consider how their doctrine could be wrong and "them" normal.
The difference, Viz, is that you all are insisting that "behavior" (being gay), which does NOT negatively affect you, is not "worthy". He's calling out discriminatory behavior that DOES negatively affect those who are gay, as being unworthy of those who claim to be God's representatives on earth.
That is debatable. You say it doesn't affect us so we shouldn't care? It very much DOES affect us when laws are changed and society redefines things we hold dear.
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Good for you. Not everyone, including many conservative Christians, is as perfect as you.
I never claimed to be perfect. I'm saying that it's ok to disagree and still be friends.
AND, I would add, without taking the trouble to investigate the rationale, especially how it fails in love in spite of the meme, "love the sinner, hate the sin," which was addresed above. Not because there is not a good argument, but because they don't WANT to consider how their doctrine could be wrong and "them" normal.
An important addition. Thanks Nate.
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AND, I would add, without taking the trouble to investigate the rationale, especially how it fails in love in spite of the meme, "love the sinner, hate the sin," which was addresed above. Not because there is not a good argument, but because they don't WANT to consider how their doctrine could be wrong and "them" normal.
