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Old 01-10-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:47 PM
 
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Default Christianity > is the Christian Messiah the one spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures or not?

You refuse to see the difference between what the ignorant, primitive and barbarian Jews EXPECTED from the Messiah according to their understanding of their scriptures (used as Divination) and who the scriptures REALLY pointed to as validated over time by actual events, NOT expectations. The actual validation of the prophecies point to the Christian Messiah, NOT the Jewish Mashiach. The ignorant and carnal minds focused on worldly things and kingdoms and got all distracted by irrelevant lineages, genealogies and fables.

1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith
 
Old 01-11-2017, 12:26 AM
 
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You refuse to see the difference between what the ignorant, primitive and barbarian Jews EXPECTED from the Messiah according to their understanding of their scriptures (used as Divination) and who the scriptures REALLY pointed to as validated over time by actual events, NOT expectations. The actual validation of the prophecies point to the Christian Messiah, NOT the Jewish Mashiach. The ignorant and carnal minds focused on worldly things and kingdoms and got all distracted by irrelevant lineages, genealogies and fables.

1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith
Easy, Mystic...I like you, but ancestors sounds less Antisemitic...
 
Old 01-11-2017, 02:09 AM
 
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You refuse to see the difference between what the ignorant, primitive and barbarian Jews EXPECTED from the Messiah according to their understanding of their scriptures (used as Divination) and who the scriptures REALLY pointed to as validated over time by actual events, NOT expectations. The actual validation of the prophecies point to the Christian Messiah, NOT the Jewish Mashiach. The ignorant and carnal minds focused on worldly things and kingdoms and got all distracted by irrelevant lineages, genealogies and fables.
1 Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith
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Easy, Mystic...I like you, but ancestors sounds less Antisemitic...
I like you too, Richard and there isn't an anti-semitic or anti-ethnic anything in my bones.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 02:39 AM
 
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is the Christian Messiah the one spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures or not?

If by "Hebrew scriptures" you mean what is commonly called the Old Testament, the answer is yes.

I've already seen you go over this in another thread and you were already answered about how Jesus met all the prophetic requirements to be the Messiah.

Does it surprise me that there are still Jews who are looking for some other Messiah? Not at all. That is prophesied in the New Testament that many would not accept Jesus but would accept another who comes in the Father's name. We are living in a time when there is a very high chance that a man will soon declare himself to be the long awaited one. And many will be deceived by him.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 03:12 AM
 
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Yes Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Lord Messiah from the scriptures , as first proof he had the promise of Father God to bring the Holy Spirit down on the redeemed and Holy Spirit would abide on these people of God , which happened a Pentecost upper room from book of Acts 2 and Holy Spirit is still coming down on the redeemed through Christ today ......................... So how many false messiahs can say they redeem people and have Holy spirit come down and abide on People ?.... where Non is the answer .........Joseph and Mary was a spiritual step father and mother for Jesus as Jesus is God who came to the virgin birth ............................ So then Jesus was born in Bethlehem the city of David , so he was born into the tribe of Judah , where He was not born into the tribe of Samaritan who are the descendant of the ten tribes who got lost in Babylon ........................Ezekiel temple will never be fulfilled as it was just a prophecy for Hope from God in the troubling time ........................where Lord Jesus builds the Temple of the Holy Spirit who can never be brought down in war , as it abides on the redeemed through out the world ..........................The prince of peace is ruler through the spirit of the Kingdom of Heaven and people who engage under His promise will have peace of God through their heart , were the world will have peace after Jesus second coming when all nations will be gone ................................ Then the ten commandment are indeed part of the inbred rules of the Holy spirit who come in spirit and in truth for all who engage to be redeemed and Have Holy Spirit abide in them .............................. Still Jesus is the only messiah for the Jews and for any people of the gentiles can be redeemed , as there is a Messianic Jew who still has some customs of His Jewish faith who attends the church were I attends , so some people of the Jewish faith got the promise right ..........
 
Old 01-11-2017, 03:36 AM
 
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is the Christian Messiah the one spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures or not?

If by "Hebrew scriptures" you mean what is commonly called the Old Testament, the answer is yes.

I've already seen you go over this in another thread and you were already answered about how Jesus met all the prophetic requirements to be the Messiah.
...and you have been shown how he can't be. Let's start with you showing the male blood-line connection back to K David.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 04:01 AM
 
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...and you have been shown how he can't be. Let's start with you showing the male blood-line connection back to K David.
Don't need it. You already know why.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 04:22 AM
 
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Don't need it. You already know why.
Yes I do know why. It's because you would rather believe what you want to be true rather than what the evidence tells you.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 04:25 AM
 
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is the Christian Messiah the one spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures or not?

If by "Hebrew scriptures" you mean what is commonly called the Old Testament, the answer is yes.

I've already seen you go over this in another thread and you were already answered about how Jesus met all the prophetic requirements to be the Messiah.

Does it surprise me that there are still Jews who are looking for some other Messiah? Not at all. That is prophesied in the New Testament that many would not accept Jesus but would accept another who comes in the Father's name. We are living in a time when there is a very high chance that a man will soon declare himself to be the long awaited one. And many will be deceived by him.
No, by Hebrew Scriptures we're talking about the Tanakh, the OT are not Hebrew Scriptures...
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