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The common view among historians today is that the Sermon on the Mount is the only verifiable teaching of Jesus. But that even it is taken from a compilation of 1st century AD and 1st century BC Jewish rabbis.
How do we determine what is the true "teaching of Jesus"?
The best way to know is to repent and turn to Jesus Christ and get the baptism of Holy Spirit , For Jesus Holy Spirit will know which Words are legalism and lies and which Word are the truth ,............ One scripture which is a question to here is `` Give not that which is holy unto dogs neither cast you your pearls before swine , lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and rent you `` ......As this statement is not the character of Holy Spirit and the plan of God , as like everyone turning to God are sinners like dogs and swine , don`t make sense here ......
The common view among historians today is that the Sermon on the Mount is the only verifiable teaching of Jesus. But that even it is taken from a compilation of 1st century AD and 1st century BC Jewish rabbis.
How do we determine what is the true "teaching of Jesus"?
We determine that by reading everything attributed to Him and comparing it with what He actually DID! Actions in the face of death reveal the true nature of anyone. How Jesus acted in the face of horrendous scourging and crucifixion is determinative. He did NOT smite anyone. He forgave His torturers and murderers because they did not know what they were doing. Anything attributed to Jesus that is NOT consistent with this unambiguous attitude of love for us all (Holy Spirit) can NOT be from either Jesus or God because Jesus said when you see me you see the Father. That makes the Sermon on the Mount credible and it also makes 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5 credible. It makes an eternal torment, blood sacrifice to appease God, and other barbaric OT beliefs NOT credible. You cannot take verses piecemeal. You have to embed them in the evidence of the "mind of Christ" and test their spirit. They say context is everything, but the usual primitive OT context used violates the Holy Spirit revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus when in the face of horrendous scourging and crucifixion.
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Originally Posted by ukrkoz
So all of His teaching died with him on the cross, as his "disciples" didn't even dare to come to his last moment, yet went to argue who will be the boss and lesser boss in haven.
Seriously, Ozzy...
That is a little-noticed fact the reveals how soon the human corruption of Christ's unambiguous Gospel of love was started.
Because he never had real disciples. Just humans. Even worse, he never had a devoty. Maybe Mary Magdalene. As only women came to his crucifixion.
people spend life time devoting themselves to dead scriptures. To to other's opinions, interpretations, translations, "witnessing" etc.
Then it is impossible for that person to say - fool I was for my entire life. It is impossible. Hence you will hear see and read all kinds of chest pounding pseudo religious statements, as they have to cover their lack of true faith. They are studying religion, doing religion, thinking about religion, talking about religion, writing about religion, pretending religion, list goes on and on - but never being religious. All they are doing is keeping their ego happy.
MPHD, We determine that by reading everything attributed to Him and comparing it with what He actually DID! You realize that this statement in bold only says that it relies on hearsay evidence? What someone said? Believes saw? Said as he understood it? Or wanted it to be? By no means it is a TRUE historical fact - as there are NONE. One will have to be there in corpore, to witness entire events, and even then one will still interpret seen and heard as his ego will dictate.
Only one that dies in the Master, Teacher light, can possibly relay to His teaching, as then it is direct inducion. This is why Master PRESENCE is of immense importance. As Master's flame lights up disciple candle. That disciple may, possibly, find another disciple, to light his candle. But in matter of usually few generations, THE LIVING SPIRIT of any teaching dies out, as masters of it are gone.
Living Spirit is direct bridge between Master and Disciple, in which disciple is IN Master. In HIs LIGHT. No afterward testimonials, stories, writings, etc, ever accomplished same, as it is impossible.
Gautama said - a light of one candle can light millions more, without losing its light.
I'll add to this: - lightless books and scriptures will put out millions of candles. As carry they no light.
We determine that by reading everything attributed to Him and comparing it with what He actually DID! Actions in the face of death reveal the true nature of anyone. How Jesus acted in the face of horrendous scourging and crucifixion is determinative. He did NOT smite anyone. He forgave His torturers and murderers because they did not know what they were doing. Anything attributed to Jesus that is NOT consistent with this unambiguous attitude of love for us all (Holy Spirit) can NOT be from either Jesus or God because Jesus said when you see me you see the Father. That makes the Sermon on the Mount credible and it also makes 1 Cor 13 and Galatians 5 credible. It makes an eternal torment, blood sacrifice to appease God, and other barbaric OT beliefs NOT credible. You cannot take verses piecemeal. You have to embed them in the evidence of the "mind of Christ" and test their spirit. They say context is everything, but the usual primitive OT context used violates the Holy Spirit revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus when in the face of horrendous scourging and crucifixion.
That is a little-noticed fact the reveals how soon the human corruption of Christ's unambiguous Gospel of love was started.
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Originally Posted by ukrkoz
MPHD, We determine that by reading everything attributed to Him and comparing it with what He actually DID! You realize that this statement in bold only says that it relies on hearsay evidence? What someone said? Believes saw? Said as he understood it? Or wanted it to be? By no means it is a TRUE historical fact - as there are NONE. One will have to be there in corpore, to witness entire events, and even then one will still interpret seen and heard as his ego will dictate.
You realize how ridiculous this is. It presumes we can NOT know anything about the past. It is as nihilistic as solipsism. I prefer to operate more pragmatically in the world, NOT by assuming some other human being is somehow a MASTER or whatnot. That is far more precarious and filled with potential error.
Who ya gonna' convince anyway? Don't worry about it. And there is no "common view" among historians. Just the "most common" view among a dump truck load of "common views". And then there's the other dump truck load of politically motivated viewpoints.
this one was closest to my centa-mints. only I was thinking more along the lines of manure spreaders. at least that way it might make something grow if you spread that stuff thin enough, other wise it just burns everything up. well at least weeds will grow .. but some weeds are eat-able though usually not very tender or sweet.
I came down from heaven to do the will of Him who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do His will shall know about this teaching, namely, whether it comes from God or I am speaking on my own.
Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.
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