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Genesis makes many claims that are decidedly non-scientific. Does the show actually attempt to address whether a personal god meddled in the actions of humans? After all, that is a central part of the book of Genesis, and I'm curious how science could address that question.
Many things we know today as fact will be said to be "decidedly non-scientific" in 100 years...heck, in 10 years. Genesis is not a science book, nor does it claim to be. It is a record of God with humans.
I don't subscribe to Netflix, so I can't watch the documentary.
However, there is no need to try to reconcile the creation story in Genesis with science, or vice versa. Those who do so are attempting to impose a 20th/21st century scientific worldview/cosmic geography on an ancient time and culture, seeing that scientifically the creation story doesn't hold up, and then criticizing the Bible for not being what it was never intended to be. Genesis was written to Israel which shared much of the same cosmic geography as its ancient near eastern (ANE) neighbors who had their own creation stories. The creation story in Genesis may very well be a polemic in which the point is not so much how God created the heavens and the earth but that it was the God of Israel who created them instead of the gods of their ANE neighbors.
God had things to communicate to Israel and it wasn't necessary to change their existing worldview/cosmic geography in order to get the message across. If the Bible had been written to us today instead of to Israel two and three thousand years ago it would not speak to us in terms of whatever cosmic geography will exist two and three thousand years from now. If it did, we wouldn't understand it. God communicated with the ancient Israelites in terms they could understand. He met them where they were. It wasn't necessary for God to update Israel's knowledge of the cosmos in order to get His message across to them.
It isn't necessary, and it's a mistake to try to impose a modern scientific understanding of the Universe on an ancient text and culture and then condemn it for not measuring up to our modern understanding. What is necessary is to try to understand Genesis in the way it was understood by the ancient Israelites to whom it was written. God didn't intend to give Israel a 21st century knowledge of the Universe. He intended for them to know that He was their God and for them there was no other.
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I'm assuming you believe god knew that the Bible would eventually be in the hands of us 21st-century dwellers, no? Wouldn't that make us as much a part of the intended audience of Genesis as ancient Israelites?
Since the original recipients of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) was the Hebrews, and since the Hebrew Bible mainly concerns God's dealings with the ancient Hebrews, God condescended and spoke to them at their level of understanding which was an ancient pre-scientific view of the cosmos. The Bible is both a divine and a human writing. While God is the divine author, the human writers wrote within the framework of their own culture and worldview. And God accommodated Himself to their limited understanding of the cosmos.
It wasn't God's objective to educate the Hebrews regarding the true nature of the cosmos. Our own 21st century understanding of the cosmos is incomplete. Two hundred years from now our scientific knowledge will be vastly greater than it is now. And so if God had given the ancient Hebrews an understanding of the cosmos equal to ours today, then someone two hundred years in our future might ask, well why didn't God give the Hebrews a 23rd century understanding of the cosmos. Where does it stop? Instead, the Bible doesn't deal with scientific topics. That wasn't God's purpose. Genesis one and the creation account is theological messaging. The point of the creation account is that it was Yahweh who brought the heavens into being rather than the gods of the other ANE peoples. Not HOW He did it, but THAT He was the one to do it, and WHY He did it.
Again, don't criticize the Bible (the Old Testament is in view here) for not being something it was never intended to be. Just let the Bible be what it is. An ancient collection of writings, divinely inspired, but speaking to the ancient Hebrews in terms of their understanding, their worldview, their cosmic geography. Rather than criticizing ancient writings for not having a 21st century scientific worldview, the serious student of the word of God needs to take it upon himself to understand the time and culture in which the Bible was written.
Since the original recipients of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) was the Hebrews, and since the Hebrew Bible mainly concerns God's dealings with the ancient Hebrews, God condescended and spoke to them at their level of understanding which was an ancient pre-scientific view of the cosmos. The Bible is both a divine and a human writing. While God is the divine author, the human writers wrote within the framework of their own culture and worldview. And God accommodated Himself to their limited understanding of the cosmos.
It wasn't God's objective to educate the Hebrews regarding the true nature of the cosmos. Our own 21st century understanding of the cosmos is incomplete. Two hundred years from now our scientific knowledge will be vastly greater than it is now. And so if God had given the ancient Hebrews an understanding of the cosmos equal to ours today, then someone two hundred years in our future might ask, well why didn't God give the Hebrews a 23rd century understanding of the cosmos. Where does it stop? Instead, the Bible doesn't deal with scientific topics. That wasn't God's purpose. Genesis one and the creation account is theological messaging. The point of the creation account is that it was Yahweh who brought the heavens into being rather than the gods of the other ANE peoples. Not HOW He did it, but THAT He was the one to do it, and WHY He did it.
Again, don't criticize the Bible (the Old Testament is in view here) for not being something it was never intended to be. Just let the Bible be what it is. An ancient collection of writings, divinely inspired, but speaking to the ancient Hebrews in terms of their understanding, their worldview, their cosmic geography. Rather than criticizing ancient writings for not having a 21st century scientific worldview, the serious student of the word of God needs to take it upon himself to understand the time and culture in which the Bible was written.
The creation account is a spiritual story and Moses proved this without a doubt.
The flood is a spiritual story in my good opinion.
The bible depicts men as beasts from cover to cover that we have to overcome the spirit of a beast, Jesus comes as a lamb, a heifer, a ram, a goat, a bull, a dove.
The things written of animals and beasts if Genesis is speaking about people.
1 Corinthians 8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
The water not only fell from heaven, but it also rose of from the ground and it was not water, it was spirit, and when the spirit will be poured out, no man shall live unless he has a covering, that ark is depicting a covering, even a sukkah, and what happened in that flood is appointed to happen again just as Jesus speaks of it saying.
Matthew 24
36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it wasin thedaysofNoah,sowill it beat thecomingof theSonof Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.…
That same flood of spirit is coming again, but where the spirit was merely water before, it comes as fire the next time because there is a flood appointed for the feast of Tabernacles where the second rain of spirit is to fall in a great flood and this flood will come to each and every man like a lake of fire that will test the works of all men, and only the righteous who have a covering of a Sukkah will live.
If you are found in your Sukkah at the second coming of the Lord, he is your covering from the great flood of the fire of the Holy spirit and everyone else will die.
2 by 2 they shall come and none can stand alone.
If you don't have a covenant with another person, then you shall not enter.
The creation account is a spiritual story and Moses proved this without a doubt.
The flood is a spiritual story in my good opinion.
The bible depicts men as beasts from cover to cover that we have to overcome the spirit of a beast, Jesus comes as a lamb, a heifer, a ram, a goat, a bull, a dove.
The things written of animals and beasts if Genesis is speaking about people.
1 Corinthians 8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? 9For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? 10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
The water not only fell from heaven, but it also rose of from the ground and it was not water, it was spirit, and when the spirit will be poured out, no man shall live unless he has a covering, that ark is depicting a covering, even a sukkah, and what happened in that flood is appointed to happen again just as Jesus speaks of it saying.
Matthew 24
36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it wasin thedaysofNoah,sowill it beat thecomingof theSonof Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.…
That same flood of spirit is coming again, but where the spirit was merely water before, it comes as fire the next time because there is a flood appointed for the feast of Tabernacles where the second rain of spirit is to fall in a great flood and this flood will come to each and every man like a lake of fire that will test the works of all men, and only the righteous who have a covering of a Sukkah will live.
If you are found in your Sukkah at the second coming of the Lord, he is your covering from the great flood of the fire of the Holy spirit and everyone else will die.
2 by 2 they shall come and none can stand alone.
If you don't have a covenant with another person, then you shall not enter.
Nothing you posted suggests any kind of "Spiritual story". I'm sorry...Genesis presents itself as factual history, and the NT supports that claim. Yes--there were some types in the events of the OT, but they actually happened. Start playing games with what we call real and allegory and it's easy to get all turned around.
Nothing you posted suggests any kind of "Spiritual story". I'm sorry...Genesis presents itself as factual history, and the NT supports that claim. Yes--there were some types in the events of the OT, but they actually happened. Start playing games with what we call real and allegory and it's easy to get all turned around.
Let me give you an example in how Moses proves that it is a spiritual story, but I would tell you that all of it is spiritual. In the very beginning when you read of water, it isn't water, it isn't land, each word has an alternate meaning in the bible and you can choose any word in nature, and I will show you what it means, any tree, anything in nature from mountains to valleys, it isn't speaking of mountain and valleys and this is the reason everyone was blind an unable to read what is really written.
But Moses proves the creation story is a spiritual story, and Moses is no dummy, he didn't contradict himself, he wants you to know that it is a spiritual story.
There is 24 hours between Adam and Eve, and within this time, Adam names everything living and you couldn't name all the birds in ten years.
Moses has Adam working in the garden so long that God looked down on him and provided him a mate, but Adam was lain down in a sleep of death to create a bride just as a bride was created from the side of Jesus, just like Adam.
Adam tilled and seeded the garden and he had many harvests, but if he only had one harvest, how long does it take after you seed the ground until the harvest?
Certainly not 24 hours, Moses wants you to know it's a spiritual story, and just as Jesus was lain down in a sleep of death, his side opened up, and the water and blood came out as two witnesses that created a bride, the blood and the water are the two witnesses. When a consummation takes place as did with Jesus and God on that cross, the friend of the bridegroom would come into the chamber to take out the sheets in order to show the proof, these two witnesses, the blood and the water which are inside you. When the veil was torn from top to bottom, it showed a consummation because the temple is in the design of a woman, that veil is a veil of a virgin and that ark is a uterus.
Same thing with Adam, he was inside Eve just as Jesus is inside those who obtain a new Adam, and because we had to have a new Adam, it means that the old had to be replaced and we are still a part of it.
1 John 5 ~ The TWO WITNESSES ~ Blood ~ Water ~ IN YOU
5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Same two witnesses in Revelation, when God gives you power, he does so in the water and the blood.
Whatever you do whether good or bad, you do so by the blood and water.
When you are going to do a bad thing, one side and one eye wants it, but the other eye is saying,'' No, Don't do that thing,'' and then you do it, and you have done a thing by 3, the sinful part of water who wants to sin, and then the spirit of Adam is supposed to keep you out of sin, but there you are as a priest in the middle and you shall decide, and whatever you do, you have done by those 3.
This is the same thing we are to learn of Adam, because in learning of Adam, we can know and realize that his spirit is within us and it is a fallen spirit that begs for a new Adam, but when you try and take on a new Adam, it is kingdom against kingdom and one has to go.
You stay with the old, or obtain the new, and this is why Jesus said,'' From now on there shall be 5 in a house.''
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
Everyone is born of Adam because Adam is supposed to be the guiding spirit but Adam's spirit fell, and he is in you right now speaking to you.
All people are in Adam and his fallen spirit brought death to each one as it still does today, we have to get a new Adam, and so it is now 5 in a house, father shall hate the son and the son shall hate the father.
Moses continues with the flood account which in my good opinion, is a spiritual story if only for one reason.
What Moses shows in his ark, the whole world flooding, the amount of animals, this story is NO DOUBT, impossible to believe because it is absolutely impossible, and I am a man of reason, I have very good reason to believe it is a spiritual story.
On top of this, I would tell you that Adam and Eve and all those people who died in the flood, they never even lived on this Earth.
LOL, but this is just my good opinion, and it stems from the promises to the overcomers, because each over comer is appointed sole rule over an entire earth, and Adam had obtained the reward of sole rule over an entire earth just as each overcomer is promised a sole rule over all nations upon a single earth, there has to be an earth for each one.
LOL, But don't mind me, I am way out there in left field.
What we would hand the Atheist with the creation story and the story of the flood, it makes us look as mad men.
They have some SERIOUS good points, and their ideas with common sense, and rational thought should be taken seriously, it is either literal stories that show us crazy, or it is spiritual stories.
...snip... I'm sorry...Genesis presents itself as factual history, and the NT supports that claim. ...snip...
So does The Hobbit. And the Lord of the Rings supports that claim.
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