Jews got a new messiah .. claim he raised from the dead
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So you didn't call that Zev person in the video a liar with regard to Rabbi Menachem being resurrected, since he denies it as you do. You called him a liar because he is a Messianic Jew and proclaims that Jesus is the Messiah. Well, the first Christians were Jews. The Jewish apostles were eyewitnesses to the risen Jesus and they believed that Jesus is the Messiah. You on the other hand choose not to believe it.
I didn't really watch too much, and again, what get me is his introduction.
He is introduced as an evangelical, and maybe Christians don't get this, but to begin with,'' Evangelical,'' would tell me that he is not in the Messianic religion head and tail.
So you didn't call that Zev person in the video a liar with regard to Rabbi Menachem being resurrected, since he denies it as you do. You called him a liar because he is a Messianic Jew and proclaims that Jesus is the Messiah. Well, the first Christians were Jews. The Jewish apostles were eyewitnesses to the risen Jesus and they believed that Jesus is the Messiah. You on the other hand choose not to believe it.
There is no need for anyone to use the word liar as it is contentious and promotes strife. So let's set aside that strong language.
There is a long list of people in Judaism who claimed to be the Messiah, and Judaism rejects all of them, because they do not meet the criteria set forth by Judaism. Did some of these names listed have followers and start their own sects and religions? Yes they did. Does that make any of them the Messiah according to Judaism? No it does not.
Here is a list of names of other claimed messiahs in Judaism, link shown at bottom of post. Judaism is very consistent in rejecting every name on this list from the first to the last. It will be very obvious when the person Moschiach is here because there will be world peace. We aren't there yet. The whole world will know when it happens and the whole world will recognize God.
1st century
Jesus c.. 30 CE
Vespasian c. 70 CE
2nd century
Simon bar Kokhba c. 135 CE
5th century
Moses of Crete
7th century
unknownclaimant who arose at time of conquest of Khuzistan.
8th century
Isḥaḳ ben Ya'ḳub Obadiah Abu 'Isa al-Isfahani of Ispahan
Yudghan
Serene
12th century
One appeared in France c. 1087 ]Another appeared in the province of Córdoba c. 1117
Mosesal-Dar'i a Moroccan teacher,
David Alroy in Persia about 1160
TheYemenite Messiah
13th century
Abraham ben Samuel Abulafia 1291
Nissimben Abrahamaround 1295
15th century
Moses Botarel of Cisneros around1413
16th century
Asher Lämmlein, Asher Kaei a German near Venice in 1502 David Reubeni 1541 and Solomon Molcho 1532
17th century
Sabbatai Zevi 1676
BarukhiaRusso 1740
MordecaiMokia 1729
Jacob Querido 1690
Miguel (Abraham)Cardoso 1706 Löbele Prossnitz 1750
18th century
Jacob Joseph Frank 1791
Eve Frank 1817
19th century
Shukr Kuhayl I19th-century Yemenite
Judah ben Shalom(Shukr Kuhayl II), 19th-centuryYemenite
20th century
MosesGuibbory 1899–1985
Yosef YitzchakSchneersohn
Menachem MendelSchneerson 1994
There is no need for anyone to use the word liar as it is contentious and promotes strife. So let's set aside that strong language.
There is a long list of people who claimed to be the Messiah, and Judaism rejects all of them, because they do not meet the criteria set forth by Judaism. Did some of these names listed have followers and start their own sects and religions? Yes they did. Does that make any of them the Messiah according to Judaism? No it does not.
Here is a list of names of other claimed messiahs in Judaism, link shown at bottom of post.
It will be very obvious when Moschiach is here because there will be world peace. We aren't there yet. The whole world will know when it happens and the whole world will recognize God.
1st century
Jesus c.. 30 CE
Vespasian c. 70 CE
2nd century
Simon bar Kokhba c. 135 CE
5th century
Moses of Crete
7th century
unknownclaimant who arose at time of conquest of Khuzistan.
8th century
Isḥaḳ ben Ya'ḳub Obadiah Abu 'Isa al-Isfahani of Ispahan
Yudghan
Serene
12th century
One appeared in France c. 1087 ]Another appeared in the province of Córdoba c. 1117
Mosesal-Dar'i a Moroccan teacher,
David Alroy in Persia about 1160
TheYemenite Messiah
13th century
Abraham ben Samuel Abulafia 1291
Nissimben Abrahamaround 1295
15th century
Moses Botarel of Cisneros around1413
16th century
Asher Lämmlein, Asher Kaei a German near Venice in 1502 David Reubeni 1541 and Solomon Molcho 1532
17th century
Sabbatai Zevi 1676
BarukhiaRusso 1740
MordecaiMokia 1729
Jacob Querido 1690
Miguel (Abraham)Cardoso 1706 Löbele Prossnitz 1750
18th century
Jacob Joseph Frank 1791
Eve Frank 1817
19th century
Shukr Kuhayl I19th-century Yemenite
Judah ben Shalom(Shukr Kuhayl II), 19th-centuryYemenite
20th century
MosesGuibbory 1899–1985
Yosef YitzchakSchneersohn
Menachem MendelSchneerson 1994
Regarding RabbiSchneerson, during the 1990s, many people believed that he would be revealed asthe Messiah. Although he never stated that he was the Messiah, and evenrejected the claims when made before him, admirers felt that Schneerson wasworthy of such stature. Even after his death, people still believedthat he will be the Messiah. The Chabad organization condemns Messianicbehavior, stating that it defies the express wishes of Schneerson.
Judaism is very consistent in rejecting every name on this list. When the person Moshiach comes the wholeworld will know. And the whole worldwill recognize God.
I'm not the one who used the word 'liar.' Your fellow Jew did and I questioned him about it.
The Jewish leaders failed to recognize their Messiah when He came some 2000 years ago. But He did come, and many Jews did recognize Jesus as the Messiah, as many Jews do today. And many Jews do not. And then again many Jews are atheists and agnostics.
Last edited by Michael Way; 08-11-2017 at 01:48 PM..
There is a long list of people in Judaism who claimed to be the Messiah, and Judaism rejects all of them, because they do not meet the criteria set forth by Judaism. Did some of these names listed have followers and start their own sects and religions? Yes they did. Does that make any of them the Messiah according to Judaism? No it does not.
This is a valid and acceptable claim according to Judaism. What Christians believe is that it is not valid according to God. The Bible is a spiritual record that should be interpreted spiritually so the promised Messiah is a spiritual King, not a worldly King. Worldly Kings are a diminishing phenomenon so expecting one is hardly prudent, IMO. Interpreting the scriptures spiritually, Jesus is undeniably the spiritual Messiah and has been for well over 2000+ years. We can find in the prophecies of Isaiah many corroborating descriptions centuries AFTER Christ's death.
I didn't really watch too much, and again, what get me is his introduction.
He is introduced as an evangelical, and maybe Christians don't get this, but to begin with,'' Evangelical,'' would tell me that he is not in the Messianic religion head and tail.
Yeah, that's what I get from the title, from his introduction it says he is a fraud pretending to be something he is not. It reminds me of Jews for Jesus, a bunch of Baptist frauds pretending that they are for Jews when they are not. People wanting to associate themselves with Messianics when they aint Messianic. Just to call him an evangelical is to call him a Gentile right from jump street and he sure aint no Rabbi.
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