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Why is it that no churches preach about the sinfulness of being a glutton? Why is it that hardly anyone ever talks about it as being wrong, with the exception that it causes a few health problems and might cause you to be fat and not happy with how you look?
I even did a search on this forum and only got about 8-10 threads, whereas a search on most other sins returns about 40-50 threads or more.
I believe America is the most gluttonous nation on earth. I also believe it is one of the sins that has become WIDELY accepted in churches and among Christians. It is robbing us of our health, our energy, our vitality, and it is destroying His temple which is our bodies.
If a person walked into church drunk and stinking of alcohol, very likely they would either get kicked out or they would have many people trying to talk to them about the sin of drunkenness. Yet if you walk into Sunday school with 3 boxes of Krispy Kreme, you are everyone's temporary hero.
I believe pastors do not preach about gluttony and overeating because either they are afraid of who all they would offend, or they are neck deep in gluttony themselves! Why can Christians not see how GLUTTONY IS DESTROYING THE HEALTH OF CHRISTIANS AND AMERICANS? It is a SIN, it is not just some bad habit that someone needs to work on. It is a SIN AGAINST THE FLESH.
If you have ever attended a small church on "Fellowship dinner day" You would understand why they don't preach about the sin of gluttony.. As every one enters the front door they are is a festive mood and talk about the light breakfast they ate so they could have plenty of room for the food that the women are carrying in the other door..You get a faint whiff of chicken and dumplins, fried chicken, various hot casseroles, and a big pot of country green beans flavored with bacon grease..You get a glimpse of woman after woman proudly carring dome shaped cake servers and , Oh my I smell apple pie and chocolate cake.. You get through Sunday school and before worship services you make a quick dash to the fellowship hall to take a peek and make sure everything is staying hot..Church service begins with an announcement and flattering words to the women about their cooking..After communion and offering when everyone stands to sing, you notice some women leaving to attend the meal..In a few minutes the aromas are almost overpowering as they lift the lids and stir up contents..Then the smell of coffee hits home. You have a bit of a time listening to todays sermon and the preacher is talking a little fast today anyhow..Finally it is the invitation song..You slyly glance around to see if anyone desires baptrism today..No one goes Finally, the preacher announces that elder so and so will "turn thanks" for the food and fellowship before we file out the right side into the fellowship hall The prayer is just the proper length and more amens are said than all last month and it is time to eat No sir, we don't wanna hear about gluttony on this day
Now, I'm not putting myself on a pedistol, I am probably guilty of them all.
But I'm glad you brought that gluttony thing up. People only preach about sins they have no problem with, or they conveniently forget about some sins. There are other sins people either forget about or they push to the back. Some of them are even in the 10 commandments.
Thou shalt not covet.-I hear alot of coveting from some very religious people, personally.
Thou shalt not bare false witness against thy neighbor.-99% of the time gossip either isn't true, or it is only partially true. But yet, how many people share the juicy gossip with half the church as soon as they find out a little dirt.
Here are some that are not in the 10 commandments but since all sin is the same in the eyes of God, they are no less important.
Love thy neighbor- Now come on, people these days are real jerks, even a lot of church going people.
Love thy enemy-u huh, surrree, That one always gets followed.
Blessed are the peace makers-What, are you unpatriotic or something?
Turn the other cheek- see above
Money is the root of all evil- Heard of that Bible where all the devotions are about amassing wealth, someone posted a great link to a site a while back about the selling out of christianity. Can't remember who it was or what the site was.
Jesus threw out the money changers in the temple "It is my father's house, not a market" -Now, just how many churches now days sell expensive coffees, books, cds, dvds, etc. etc. all for profit?
Blessed are the meek- I would hardly call people like Rev. Haggard or many, many people in the church "meek"
He who is without sin cast the first stone- seems like a lot stone casting out there, either there are a lot of saints....or sinners
Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself- yet again, more than enough judging going around
What you do to the least of these, you have done unto me- I see a lot of churchy people treating, the poor, single mothers, drug addicts, or any number of things that could put one in the least category, treated quite poorly
the obvious one you pointed out-gluttony/sloth- one of the seven deadlys, Been to a Southern Baptist church lately and seen the pastor? Or one, Rev. Hagee.
Treat others how you would be treated- this one even made its way into the secular mainstream, maybe if people practiced it, we wouldn't be where we are today.
"Now go and sin no more"-maybe just a few more times.
"For if you have even lusted in your heart, you are guilty of adultery"- I guess you gotta cancel that subscription to Playboy. Just for the articles? HA
I could go on, but you all get the point.
To Blue: There is a difference in enjoying good food in moderation and becoming a glutton, I don't think ol' TN meant you have eat rice cakes for the rest of your life.
Gluttony is the white elephant in the room that no one talks about. It's the most tolerated/accepted sin. Many Christians who wouldn't dream of smoking, drinking, or stealing think nothing of over-indulging their appetites. It's the inability to control our appetites of hunger and habitual greed. Rather, our appetites control us.
Self-control is one of the fruits of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22. People who are gluttonous often can't control other aspects of their lives like their mouth (gossip and anger, for example) or mind (with things like lust, bitterness and covetousness).
Proverbs 23:20-21, "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."
Proverbs 28:7, "He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father."
Proverbs 23:2, "put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."
Scripture also describes gluttony as being part of the signs of the last days.
Quote:
2 Timothy 3:1-9
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.
The bolded phrase denotes gluttony. The passage I underlined, just for an FYI to folks, perfectly describes the majority of self-professing "christians" today. "Form" means that they have an outward appearance of godliness. They talk a good game, but their inner/private life is a whole different story. (Like the scribes and Pharisees in the Bible.) It's those who are playing church but the power of God is not evident in their lives.
Simply "believing in God" is not enough. People just want it to be. They don't want to do what it takes to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. They don't want to take up their cross, die to self, be transformed daily into the image of Christ, disown the world's ways, suffer discomfort or worse in the name of Jesus. Why isn't believing enough? Because, even Satan, demons, false teachers and Pharisees believe in God, but they won't be in heaven.
I think the fact that so many sins now are ignored, while others are hounded on, over and over, proves that organized religion is inherintaly flawed. The church is within you, not in the building of piousness.
That is not to say church can't be a good thing, I have always gone to church and will continue to do so. It is important to fellowship with christians, not to mention the charity of the christian church, many people would go with out many things if it wasn't for a lot of churches. You just have to take it all with a grain of salt.
You bring up a good point, that i think reflects the weakness of churchianity in America.
The Jesus did it all false doctrines,and the we need do nothing, he doesn't see our sins, we are saved and will get new bodies, so we can ruin these ones, has not served us well. Everything we know has progressed, technology, knowledge, comforts, sin. Religion alone has stood still, because we trust in the arm of flesh to teach us, and the traditions of men to mislead us.
When Jesus clearly taught, if you love me, keep my commandments. Live His word. I've yet to meet a true Christian in any church that i have ever attended, i've met a few outside of religious settings.
Americans are over 30% obese, and 60% overweight. It is an obvious sin, as compared to lust.
The real issue is that we reallly don't believe any more than the devils, and that is sad.
Does anyone else here also directly link all of the cancers and diseases that plague our nation and Christians with our gluttonous behavior and lack of self control?
I had a co-worker recently tell me he had just been diagnosed with diabetes. He told me this while opening a 1 liter Coke and getting ready for some rice krispies treats.
Last summer, me and my wife had become very out of self control with food. We both gained a few pounds, but worse, we noticed our energy, mental clarity, and vitality were all suffering. I believe this was a direct result of our sins of self indulgence and that had we not made efforts to change, we would be still suffering those problems and well on our way to lifelong health issues.
I believe its really time that the Church is bold enough to preach about overeating and food abuse as being a sin of the flesh.
Why is it that no churches preach about the sinfulness of being a glutton? Why is it that hardly anyone ever talks about it as being wrong, with the exception that it causes a few health problems and might cause you to be fat and not happy with how you look?
I even did a search on this forum and only got about 8-10 threads, whereas a search on most other sins returns about 40-50 threads or more.
I believe America is the most gluttonous nation on earth. I also believe it is one of the sins that has become WIDELY accepted in churches and among Christians. It is robbing us of our health, our energy, our vitality, and it is destroying His temple which is our bodies.
If a person walked into church drunk and stinking of alcohol, very likely they would either get kicked out or they would have many people trying to talk to them about the sin of drunkenness. Yet if you walk into Sunday school with 3 boxes of Krispy Kreme, you are everyone's temporary hero.
I believe pastors do not preach about gluttony and overeating because either they are afraid of who all they would offend, or they are neck deep in gluttony themselves! Why can Christians not see how GLUTTONY IS DESTROYING THE HEALTH OF CHRISTIANS AND AMERICANS? It is a SIN, it is not just some bad habit that someone needs to work on. It is a SIN AGAINST THE FLESH.
Does anyone else agree or see this the same?
The Catholic Church does. It's one of the seven deadly sins.
Remember? No meat on fridays
Oh no. Now I've probably stirred up the anti-papist crowd again
One of our past preachers did, but he went to the extreme to say that you were a glutton if you only over eat one day of the year, like at Thanksgiving. As I said...this is extreme! There is a man that comes to our once a month dinner that is definitely a glutton, but he is also a few bricks short of a load. :-(
God is extreme. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say, "Well, thank God that we're under grace now, and not the law!" How sad! Yes, thank God for grace but it isn't a get out of jail free card!
Under the law you had to physically sleep with someone else to commit adultery. Under grace, all you have to do is look at someone in that way! Which is more strict? The law or grace?
Under the law you committed murder when you killed someone. Under grace, the Bible says that you commit murder if you hate someone. Which is more strict? The law or grace?
Being a Christian is an "on purpose" life. No, I don't mean that "Purpose Driven" nonsense! I mean that it takes thought and making conscious choices with what we do (how we spend our time), say (how we speak to, and about, others) and, yes, even eat.
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As every one enters the front door they are is a festive mood and talk about the light breakfast they ate so they could have plenty of room for the food that the women are carrying in the other door..You get a faint whiff of chicken and dumplins, fried chicken, various hot casseroles, and a big pot of country green beans flavored with bacon grease..You get a glimpse of woman after woman proudly carring dome shaped cake servers and , Oh my I smell apple pie and chocolate cake..
. You have a bit of a time listening to todays sermon and the preacher is talking a little fast today anyhow
