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Yes, both of my examples were of the law, but also of grace. That was my point. Under the law in the OT you had to sleep with someone to be an adulterer. Under grace, you only have to think of another person that way and the Bible says that you're an adulterer. Grace holds us to a higher standard.
I agree that we live in a culture of indulgence. When you unwrap it, you'll find the roots of greed, lack of self-control, lust, gluttony and a whole assortment of underlying sin.
As Leonard Ravenhill frequently said: "America has a king and his name is Sport. It also has a queen and her name is Entertainment. Entertainment is the devil's substitute for God's joy."
Sorry to be a cantankerous hair-splitter, but you're still dividing Law and Gospel by New and Old Testaments. Whether you actually physically commit adultery, or mentally commit adultery is sin. That is law. That is not gospel. Gospel is that Christ was crucified, buried, risen, and that it is through him that sins are forgiven. Christ's exposition on the law holds us to a higher standard. His death and resurrection for our sins (gospel) is what leads to our forgiveness and freedom from those sins.
The Judeans were very aware of their sins prior to the time of Christ. There was an entire system of sacrifice based around their perception of their sinfulness. This was the work of the law. These people were trying to appease God through animal sacrifice (as commanded as a precursor to Jesus). The Pharisees developed a system of laws that circumscribed typical Jewish law, so that if they didn't break those laws, they couldn't err in the matter of the divinely ordained law. Jesus tightened the law to not only what is performed by the body but also what is desired by the soul. That isn't gospel, it's an exposition on the Law that Jews were already aware of. "I am the resurrection and the life, he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"---that's gospel.
Overeating is a bad situation (not a sin) sometimes caused by depression and sometimes caused from other illness that leads to other serious health problems..I have noticed in this modern world the mindset of people to show a great deal of disdain for overweight people..Not all "fat" people are that way because of a bad habit. I have a daughter who has chf and is overweight due to fluid retenrion and an underactive thyroid ..I also have a sil who is overweight because of a very serious case of asthma she has suffered for years and the amounts of prednisone she is prescribed..I also have some health problems that have slowed my metabolism, and deprived me of sleep resulting in creasing my size from a 6 to a 12..I am far from obese, but often people I haven't seen for 6 months will comment that I need to "shove away from the table instead of shovin it in" I also have a teenage granddaughter who suffers from overeating and is obese.. She is under psychiatric treatment due to depression. She is finishing school on line because of the abuse from school..She has been approved for bariatric surgery as soon as she is mentally stable. Binge and overeating everyday are the opoposite of anorexia, both are illnessess...making fun of them or showing repulse is very unkind and can cause even more serious problems..
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Gluttony is dragging this country down, it makes me sick personally. Funny thing to this country boy is that the more people do these things the worse our society gets. Mean while they try to blame US catholics for everything, including being decent human beings.
LOL, I do believe I've been talking about that particular subject for years. I grew up Southern Baptist, so I know all about how they feel about gluttoney...It's almost as if they tell the preacher, hold them doors wide open at the end so we can all herd out at once! Last one to the buffet line is a rotten egg! etc.
Yes, when one nits and picks which sins are <gasp> worse than others, it gets under my skin a tad bit. hmm, maybe that is why I have been church shopping....
I had never given it a thought, but you're right, gluttony is one of those unsexy sins pastors dont generally talk about. And the overstuffed, selfish, piggy, yet pious American is a stereotype. What a provocative topic, thank for posting it!
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You bring up a good point, that i think reflects the weakness of churchianity in America.
The Jesus did it all false doctrines,and the we need do nothing, he doesn't see our sins, we are saved and will get new bodies, so we can ruin these ones, has not served us well. Everything we know has progressed, technology, knowledge, comforts, sin. Religion alone has stood still, because we trust in the arm of flesh to teach us, and the traditions of men to mislead us.
When Jesus clearly taught, if you love me, keep my commandments. Live His word. I've yet to meet a true Christian in any church that i have ever attended, i've met a few outside of religious settings.
Americans are over 30% obese, and 60% overweight. It is an obvious sin, as compared to lust.
The real issue is that we reallly don't believe any more than the devils, and that is sad.
godspeed,
freedom
I weigh in, as it were, with freedom. I mean, come down heavily on the side that freedom comes down on. There, that's better.
Note: I also love the wonderful word "churchianity" freedom uses! I looked it up and came across this thoughtful article contrasting self-serving churches with Christ's true church:
I had never given it a thought, but you're right, gluttony is one of those unsexy sins pastors dont generally talk about. And the overstuffed, selfish, piggy, yet pious American is a stereotype. What a provocative topic, thank for posting it!
I weigh in, as it were, with freedom. I mean, come down heavily on the side that freedom comes down on. There, that's better.
Note: I also love the wonderful word "churchianity" freedom uses! I looked it up and came across this thoughtful article contrasting self-serving churches with Christ's true church:
Thankyou for this link, it is timely. I did not realize that this was a common term. I heard it a couple of years ago from a friend, and it seemed to fit.
Dont mean to veer off-topic but that "churchianity" word just turns me right on. I found it again at the delightfully named batteredsheep dot com and some other places - here is a good definition. Yikes, my editor isnt editing right so this is appearing as one big block! "Take the Christ out of Christianity and make the church more important than Christ, and you end up with churchianity. Churchianity is a religious social club where the word of God takes a back seat to peer pressure, the appearance of morality and social or political sermons/speeches from the pulpit (if there is a pulpit)."
It is obvious from the Bible that overeating is a sin. It is a sin agianst the 1st commandment, in that something of the world (food) is taking God's place in the persons' life.
It is a sin against the 5th commandment, because you are slowly killing yourself. The body is God's temple, and we are to take care of it.
I say these things as someone who has been overating since I was a teenager. I am 49 now, and have never managed to overcome this awful habit. I have known it was wrong all along, and wish churches would preach about it. It is something that people need to hear and think about.
I only hope that I can overcome this before it is too late.
Why is it that no churches preach about the sinfulness of being a glutton?
Because if they cast out all the gluttons in the congregation they'd go bankrupt.
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The Sin of Gluttony
