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Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser
The teachings of Jesus and Paul can't agree because a cross happened in there, and two different gospels as well.
Jesus was born under the law and taught it completely, but hidden in His mind the whole time was grace that HE would have revealed through Paul. Law and grace can't exist together they cancel each other out. Grace alone is in effect today for Jews and Gentiles.
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See, how do people live with such contradictions?
I really don't understand this denial of what was. Paul was a Pharisee who never stopped being a Pharisee and who never stopped practicing Judaism. Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism and Paul never stopped keeping the law. Our church fathers were Pharisees who believed in Christ and taught us the law.
There is no secret hidden agenda, Jesus said that whoever kept the least of the law and taught others to keep the law would be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
But which is it?
Jesus or Paul?
If Paul is a lawless false prophet who taught Israel not to keep the customs of Moses, then Paul deserved to die.
Liars spread rumors that Paul was teaching people not to keep the laws of Moses, and this lie killed Stephen when liars were paid to say that Stephen was teaching against the law and against Jerusalem.
Liars came up trying to get Paul killed, liars telling rumors about Paul, and Paul had to sacrifice and adhere to the law to prove his innocence that he never taught people not to keep the laws of Moses.
So which is it?
Is Paul a two faced lying coward, or were people telling lies?
Paul's Arrival at Jerusalem
17And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18And the
day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20And when they heard
it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him,
Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave
their heads:
and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but
that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.
25As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written
and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from
things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
Paul Seized in the Temple
27And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
28Crying out, Men of Israel, help:
This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place:
Cruiser, If you think Paul was speaking against the law as you do, then you should admit to yourself what took place in Acts 21, and then you should rip every word of Paul out of the bible.
Be true to yourself.
Imagine, thousands of Jewish believers coming up to a council to decide if Gentiles should keep all the laws AS JEWISH BELIEVERS NEVER STOPPED KEEPING THE LAWS, AS JEWISH BELIEVERS NEVER LEFT JUDAISM.
Now here is Paul with thousands of Jewish believers AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS EVEN MORE ZEAOUS TO KEEP THE LAWS, WAS PAUL LYING TO EVERYONE TRYING TO SAVE HIS OWN NECK?
Is Acts 21 proving Paul to be an evil false prophet who deserved to die?
Gentiles converted to Judaism, and Christianity was a sect of Judaism FILLED with Pharisees who believed and who never stopped being Pharisees, and who never left Judaism.
Because you are no longer in Judaism, you have to contradict yourself, and you have to prove Paul to be a wicked, evil, two faced coward who was lying to the council trying to save his own neck, I got no use for the words coming out of an evil false prophet, IF that is what you are claiming Paul to be.
Paul either remained in Judaism, or he was the biggest liar there ever was.
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