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It's self-explanatory what it means. The author believed that ALL people would be made alive and in the image of the "man of heaven".
No, God didn't say it, silly. It was written in a book, by a man. But the person who wrote it may have been inspired to write it by beginning to comprehend and experience the all-encompassing depth and breadth and width and height of the love of God, which surpasses knowledge, and is the power at work within us doing more than we can ask or even think.
So, it is the word of God then?
What you think it means it somewhat irrelevant. It seems you think it is the word of God as long as it is in line with your view, but if it turns out it does not mean what you thought, then its not the word of God anymore.
What you think it means it somewhat irrelevant. It seems you think it is the word of God as long as it is in line with your view, but if it turns out it does not mean what you thought, then its not the word of God anymore.
True. Most of what Paul wrote is soundly rejected by our liberal friends.
"Did God say" that the same all that died in Adam would also be made alive in Christ? If you think God said it, what does it mean to you?
Avoided nothing ... no need to answer when you have hubris contempt for anything that doesn't fit your narrative:
Pleroo: "Did God say" that the same all that died in Adam would also be made alive in Christ?"
A1: "No, God didn't say it, silly. It was written in a book, by a man." ~ Pleroo
A2: "But the person who wrote it may have been inspired to write it" ~ Pleroo
Pleroo:"If you think God said it, what does it mean to you (Twin)?"
Twin: That you are wantonly being argumentatively double-minded since you claim it that it is or that it isn't just depending.
Since the same inspired writer wrote "all Scripture is God-breathed" then context of the rest of Scriptures -- not Pleroo cherry picking --- explains what "all that died in Adam would also be made alive in Christ"
True. Most of what Paul wrote is soundly rejected by our liberal friends.
Of course. Attack Paul and you can discredit 1/4 of the New Testament. Paul spoke harshly about homosexuality in Romans and feminists claim Paul was against women.
Of course you would. You believe that is your work (for which you will receive rewards) to tell people that if they don't believe Jesus is their savior, they are going to hell.
The idea of hell has been misused and misinterpreted over the centuries. The Bible says that hell is like the grave -- where 'nothing' happens. The person is not alive, not thinking and not feeling. God can bring that person back to life. I think the Pope is very busy, and needs to study the Bible more so he can understand what hell is. It takes time and diligent study to understand it. Also God's spirit can help a person come to a realization of what hell is. What is is not is a place where people are tormented forever. Many words that a person reads in the Greek have implications that only God's spirit can help direct that person properly to get the point.
What you think it means it somewhat irrelevant. It seems you think it is the word of God as long as it is in line with your view, but if it turns out it does not mean what you thought, then its not the word of God anymore.
The amazing thing is that you do the very same thing you accuse others of , and don't seem to realize it. Present you with a verse that says all men shall be saved in Christ, or Christ is the savior of all men, and the very first thing you do is try to find some way to disbelieve the actual meaning and retranslate it to fit your beliefs.
One thing the UR version has on its side at least is the conviction of the UR folks that God is too powerful and too loving for the ET version to be true . Your version tries to find reasons that its correct for God to punish people eternally.
Have you considered you are in the wrong and that you are a goat? And according to Matthew Jesus said the goats are separated from the sheep (saved) and condemned to damnation
You ignore and mock God’s Word. So, I am curious, why would the Lord treat you as saved?
Hey, goat here. I was told I was a sheep (or should be) and it didn't line up for me. Whatever the elect have I am lacking. I was wondering how you know you are. When you asked yourself the question "why me?" did you get an answer?
Also I would like to submit the spin twins to refer to twinny & finny.
Now you got me looking and reading that parable over and over, the thing is, when you see the term,'' The kingdom of heaven,'' it is always speaking about what a person is, a person IS the kingdom of heaven.
This is a very hard parable for me, except that I know some things, but I don't have this one figured out yet.
The Parable of the Vineyard Workers 1For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. 2And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. 5Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. 6And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? 7They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. 8So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. 9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. 11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, 12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. 13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? 14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? 16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
BECAUSE many be called, but few chosen. Why is it ,'' BECAUSE,'' many are called but few are chosen?
Who are the chosen in this parable, and why does it come down to the chosen?
The kingdom of heaven is your right eye, your left eye, and your middle eye, and these are Judah, Ephraim, and Jerusalem respectively.
You are the kingdom of heaven which are two kingdoms that fight each other like two brothers in a womb, and in between these two kingdoms is Jerusalem where IF the kingdom of Ephraim will come and submit to the kingdom of Judah where they make peace in Jerusalem BECAUSE Ephraim has repented and now come back to the ways of Jerusalem, and by this action, comes peace.
But the answer to this parable is like on the tip of my tongue and yet I can't taste it yet. As Parables go, they are never saying exactly what most people think they say, but it is a good example, a good come back lol. O, Did I mention how much I like you lately Queeny, you know you shouldn't get Hannibal to thinking, my head might explode.
When you get the answer, post it here. Don't let your head explode. Take deep, cleansing breaths and let it go.
I don't use those terms or try to wedge what God is into a set of doctrines and rules that can be catalogued and indexed and explained by human beings. I thought that was obvious by now.
The parable says God's gonna do what God's gonna do so accept it and stop whining cuz you think it isn't fair.
Which, of course, might not exactly be Hanni's conclusion, but we'll see.
The amazing thing is that you do the very same thing you accuse others of , and don't seem to realize it. Present you with a verse that says all men shall be saved in Christ, or Christ is the savior of all men, and the very first thing you do is try to find some way to disbelieve the actual meaning and retranslate it to fit your beliefs.
One thing the UR version has on its side at least is the conviction of the UR folks that God is too powerful and too loving for the ET version to be true . Your version tries to find reasons that its correct for God to punish people eternally.
I saw John 3:16 used to argue FOR ET too.
John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
It says the reason God sent Jesus was to save the world from death otherwise we would all perish. How the heck does someone get eternal torment out of that? The explanation was something...something separation from God. No, it's perish vs eternal life.
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I don't use those terms or try to wedge what God is into a set of doctrines and rules that can be catalogued and indexed and explained by human beings. I thought that was obvious by now.
