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Old 11-09-2018, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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No one can come to the Father, except by me. JESUS.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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God created men and angels with a free will, and, if a being has a free will, there is at least the potential that he will choose badly.
I know you won’t answer jimmiej but why would an omnigod create angels immortal *with free will** first and learn/discover? that’s not a good idea when 1/3 of his employees/angels quit?

Then chooses to creates mortal beings (if Adam and Eve were created immortal then why was there a tree of life) with the knowledge of what *free will* can do to one of his creations? Why would a loving god then torture what it already knows will likely be the outcome of free will?

Just ignore the omniscient part of your god to make sense of my question.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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No one can come to the Father, except by me. JESUS.
Aren’t jesus and the father the same thing?

Why is it trinity xians can never remember this thing?
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Mobile, Al.
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I know you won’t answer jimmiej but why would an omnigod create angels immortal *with free will** first and learn/discover? that’s not a good idea when 1/3 of his employees/angels quit?

Then chooses to creates mortal beings (if Adam and Eve were created immortal then why was there a tree of life) with the knowledge of what *free will* can do to one of his creations? Why would a loving god then torture what it already knows will likely be the outcome of free will?

Just ignore the omniscient part of your god to make sense of my question.
That's a good point, I used to think that way a long time ago. God created evil, and he created some vessel for destruction.

Good point/
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Old 11-11-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I know you won’t answer jimmiej but why would an omnigod create angels immortal *with free will** first and learn/discover? that’s not a good idea when 1/3 of his employees/angels quit?

Then chooses to creates mortal beings (if Adam and Eve were created immortal then why was there a tree of life) with the knowledge of what *free will* can do to one of his creations? Why would a loving god then torture what it already knows will likely be the outcome of free will?

Just ignore the omniscient part of your god to make sense of my question.
To separate out for Himself a people to love and who love Him back.
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Old 11-11-2018, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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To separate out for Himself a people to love and who love Him back.
Lame. Even for you.
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The potential for sin was a risk God took
Therefore, he is only a potential savior?
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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To separate out for Himself a people to love and who love Him back.
There is no separation, except in the mind of the conservative fundamentalist.

They also came up with the separate "drinking fountains," then blamed the liberals.
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Old 11-12-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Do the Jewish people need an intercessor to pray directly to God or exp God directly?
I think not.
Does a 4 yr old need an intercessor to connect directly to God....raised in a non-religious family?


It just doesn't even make a lick of sense to think they do.
(Except to a rigid, dogmatic mind, it makes perfect sense, I suppose.))
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Obviously, this is for Christians...not atheists saying there was no Jesus, nor a God...so, please.

In other words, why do you think, you could not just 'go to the Father' or have the Father or,
aka, Holy Spirit visit you?
Say, if you were a Hindu....say, if you were unsure what Jesus' role was, but wanted to communicate with God....your Creator?

I suppose there will be a ton of verses quoted...but that isn't what
I'm asking for...we know all the verses.

Why do YOU think God would be inaccessible to someone without Jesus involved?
First one to quote what someone else said in The Bible loses...that's a joke, to make a point.
Jesus did instruct us to pray directly to God, our "Father in Heaven," and I believe that's what we should be doing. Even though I always end my own prayers, "in the name of Jesus Christ" because I believe He is our intercessor with the Father, I've always believed that God hears and answers prayers offered from the heart by anyone who believes He's listening and cares.
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