Universalism - all aspects - pro and con (doctrine, scripture, sinned)

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

It most assuredly succeeds at saving those who place their faith in it.

and we know all will, you on the other hand say Jesus died for all on the cross but the cross failed most of humanity.

You teach all about a God who fails, a God who missed his mark/sinned

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

It most assuredly succeeds at saving those who place their faith in it.



Actually, on many occasions, as I have relied on my spiritual gift in common sense situations, it has helped me with those common sense situations.

So, it is the opposite.

My spiritual gift carries over into my lack of common sense.

“The wheel's still turning but the hamster's dead”. - Hezekiah 9:9

[Horn of ‘83]

Originally Posted by pneuma

hey you are the one who said it, I was just pointing out to you many agree with you on it.

Try not to make it so easy next time.

Your earlier comment was rude.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by pneuma

and we know all will, you on the other hand say Jesus died for all on the cross but the cross failed most of humanity.

You teach all about a God who fails, a God who missed his mark/sinned

The love of God does not fail to give every man a choice as to whether he will or will not receive Jesus as his Lord and Saviour.

It is this very love that requires that He not violate man's free will and force him to be saved;

Since salvation involves a certain type of behaviour (righteousness) and if a man is unwilling to walk in righteousness he will not be saved. Therefore if a man will not walk in righteousness, the Lord will not force him to be saved.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

"The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead." - Hezekiah 9:9

There is no book of Hezekiah in the Bible.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by jimmiej

Your earlier comment was rude.

maybe so jimmie but where were you when they have been rude to us. Just giving back what has been given.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by pneuma

maybe so jimmie but where were you when they have been rude to us. Just giving back what has been given.

If I have ever been rude to you in any way, please provide a link to the post in question.

I don't think you will be able to find such a post.

[Rose2Luv]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

There is no book of Hezekiah in the Bible.

There is now Paidion. You should check out other versions of Canon.

"The wheel is turning but the hamster is still dead."

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

The love of God does not fail to give every man a choice as to whether he will or will not receive Jesus as his Lord and Saviour.

It is this very love that requires that He not violate man's free will and force him to be saved;

Since salvation involves a certain type of behaviour (righteousness) and if a man is unwilling to walk in righteousness he will not be saved. Therefore if a man will not walk in righteousness, the Lord will not force him to be saved.

Did God send Jesus to save the world? Yes
Will God then be able to save the world? you say no

Thus you are teaching God is a failure, missed his mark/sinned and like I said to BF you pit mans puny will against Gods will and give man the victory, thus God fails again.

Now lets see if your God given common sense can understand that.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by pneuma

Did God send Jesus to save the world? Yes
Will God then be able to save the world? you say no

Thus you are teaching God is a failure, missed his mark/sinned and like I said to BF you pit mans puny will against Gods will and give man the victory, thus God fails again.

Now lets see if your God given common sense can understand that.

The reality is that the Lord is not going to violate man's right to a free will decision in order to force him to go to heaven where everyone is serving the Lord.

If someone doesn't want to serve the Lord, He is not going to force him to do so.

However, those who will not serve the Lord will not do so because they are sinners; and those who will not be separated from their sin will all go to the same place among murderers and thieves.

I think that it is actually the mercy of the LORD that He grants, concerning these, the prayer of the Psalmist in Psalms 140:10.