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Jesus IS the "word."
The "logos" is the thought or intent of God (spoken or unspoken).
Jesus is the intent of God in the flesh.
Pls, think of me as an innocent, or from another planet asking... not someone with snark
when I ask you this, LOL.
I mean no offense, in other words... (ya gotta say that on forums where there is snark. Ha)
My question: How do you know that? How do people know this?
Why do you say that so emphatically?
(I'm not asking for proof like scientific atheists do, mind you.)
Pls, think of me as an innocent, or from another planet asking... not someone with snark
when I ask you this, LOL.
I mean no offense, in other words... (ya gotta say that on forums where there is snark. Ha)
My question: How do you know that? How do people know this?
Why do you say that so emphatically?
(I'm not asking for proof like scientific atheists do, mind you.)
For me, the descriptions of Jesus and the descriptions of the Holy Spirit in the Christian narrative exactly matched the consciousness I encountered in deep meditation. That is why I partially adopted the Christian narrative rejecting all those things that were inconsistent with the described Holy Spirit and the consciousness I encountered.
The Bible is both the word of God and at the same time, a very human book. To understand the Bible you have to understand the time and culture in which it was written. The problem is not with the Bible but with those who attempt to impose a 21st century cultural world view upon it.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
Then, you should be able to understand that not everything is literal, nor was it meant to be taken that way. Yet, Christianism has adopted the ideologies from various mythologies and other cultures or religions and have built its doctrines and teachings on things that do not exist in reality. Isn't it about time you stepped into the twenty-first century. And let go of fables - demons, devils and Satan who is the ruler of an underworld of pain and suffering?
''When something is obviously literal in meaning, to then interpret it allegorically or symbolically can only result in a wrong interpretation, just as taking something that is obviously allegorical or otherwise symbolic and attempting to interpret it literally can only provide an invalid interpretation.''
Again, as always, you make unsupported statements. Provide the evidence for your assertion that demons, and Satan don't exist. You can't.
Spooks and goblins don't exist, and neither do demons, devils and Satan as viewed by Christianism.
But I have no doubt that you cannot face that reality, otherwise your beliefs come crumbling down.
Spooks and goblins don't exist, and neither do demons, devils and Satan as viewed by Christianism.
But I have no doubt that you cannot face that reality, otherwise your beliefs come crumbling down.
You can't seem to grasp the fact that making naked unsupported assertions, without even any attempt to back up your claims is meaningless. You state your opinion, and that's all that it is, as if it were absolute truth. But reality does not recast itself to correspond with your opinion simply because it is your opinion.
You can't seem to grasp the fact that making naked unsupported assertions, without even any attempt to back up your claims is meaningless. You state your opinion, and that's all that it is, as if it were absolute truth. But reality does not recast itself to correspond with your opinion simply because it is your opinion.
Spooks and goblins don't exist, and neither do demons, devils and Satan as viewed by Christianism.
But I have no doubt that you cannot face that reality, otherwise your beliefs come crumbling down.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You can't seem to grasp the fact that making naked unsupported assertions, without even any attempt to back up your claims is meaningless. You state your opinion, and that's all that it is, as if it were absolute truth. But reality does not recast itself to correspond with your opinion simply because it is your opinion.
Your opinion is not conclusive, it's merely your opinion or that of someone else's.
You can't seem to grasp the fact that making naked unsupported assertions, without even any attempt to back up your claims is meaningless. You state your opinion, and that's all that it is, as if it were absolute truth. But reality does not recast itself to correspond with your opinion simply because it is your opinion.
By the by, how are you in the covenant Messiah only brings for Ephraim and Judah? I mean, since you are being so honest right now.
And David my servant*shall be*king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.*25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein,*even*they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David*shall be*their prince for ever.*
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW, aint that you? Or do you pretend to be Judah?
Sorry about that, but take notice that in that scripture, Messiah has come and is licing here, and there is no rapture, no mass death, only hope just as we always see.
By the by, how are you in the covenant Messiah only brings for Ephraim and Judah? I mean, since you are being so honest right now.
And David my servant*shall be*king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.*25And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein,*even*they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David*shall be*their prince for ever.*
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW, aint that you? Or do you pretend to be Judah?
I have no problem with Mike's verses showing me the way in, but once in, I'm in. The writer of Hebrews says this:
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
The way has been made thru Christ. But to paint the picture that you only talk to Jesus and then he passes it on to the Father isn't a good picture. This is leaning a little to heavy on the aspect of the three over the one in the three in one....
Neither do I mind the picture of Christ ever interceding for me. There's a lot of time I am heavily involved in my own "ish" to boldly go in. Glad he's there interceding for me. I DO need it.
If you haven't figured it out Miss H, I can be a mess and ain't ashamed to admit it.
But wait, I thought Jesus was G-d, the Father?...
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Your opinion is not conclusive, it's merely your opinion or that of someone else's.
