Throughout history Jehovah has provided Watchmen, why? (Holy Spirit, mystic, Jesus Christ)
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I have to disagree. They don't understand, they have no way of understanding, but they do have the opportunity to understand.
You are not talking about understanding. To a rational person, the idea that they must somehow believe irrational things because they are deficient in some way (called a sinner) is not asking them to understand. It is asking them to become irrational, like you. That is a different matter entirely than understanding.
You really should listen to what some of the atheists have to say about their experiences. We have seversl who were devoted Christians for many, many years. They probably understand your religion better than most of you do.
I definitely understand that circumstances in life can and do cause some to depart from the faith. That is exactly where the misunderstanding comes in. The misunderstanding is on the part of the one who departed, not God. The relationship that should have been there, was not there, for whatever reason, again, the fault of the departed.
Those who have never known Christ have no way of understanding the Word of God. Only God can give the correct understanding, without a relationship with Him, there is no knowledge of God, other than that of the God given conscience.
I listen to atheists, have always listen to them. They have some great stories, but I don't step back from god to do it. My conversation will lead to God, most refuse but some accept and their lives are changed.
You are not talking about understanding. To a rational person, the idea that they must somehow believe irrational things because they are deficient in some way (called a sinner) is not asking them to understand. It is asking them to become irrational, like you. That is a different matter entirely than understanding.
Rational has nothing to do with it. "If you reject me before man, I will reject you before my Father."
I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why are so many angry with me? This is a Christian site, if you don't believe it or don't want to hear it, just tune it out.
Rational has nothing to do with it. "If you reject me before man, I will reject you before my Father."
I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why are so many angry with me? This is a Christian site, if you don't believe it or don't want to hear it, just tune it out.
This is a sub-forum about Christianity for everyone to discuss Christianity - not just for Christians or for certain types of Christians
Christianity is very diverse and everyone has and is entitled to their own opinions, beliefs and to voice them
Rational has nothing to do with it. "If you reject me before man, I will reject you before my Father."
I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why are so many angry with me? This is a Christian site, if you don't believe it or don't want to hear it, just tune it out.
I am a Christian, Charlie. But I don't believe all the irrational things you do and I don't think anyone has to in order to follow Christ as our Savior. In my view, sin is not some original "stain" on my soul or Spirit. It is simply NOT achieving what God wants us to achieve OR achieving what God does NOT want us to achieve. That is called "missing the mark." Our entire human species has been "missing the mark" since our very beginnings. That is why Jesus was needed as a human to PERFECTLY achieve what we were NOT achieving (and still do not, only imperfectly). What Jesus ACHIEVED is what saved our entire species, NOT only those who believe specific things ABOUT God and Jesus. Men created those "precepts and doctrines of men" in the religions, NOT God or Jesus.
I am a Christian, Charlie. But I don't believe all the irrational things you do and I don't think anyone has to in order to follow Christ as our Savior. In my view, sin is not some original "stain" on my soul or Spirit. It is simply NOT achieving what God wants us to achieve OR achieving what God does NOT want us to achieve. That is called "missing the mark." Our entire human species has been "missing the mark" since our very beginnings. That is why Jesus was needed as a human to PERFECTLY achieve what we were NOT achieving (and still do not, only imperfectly). What Jesus ACHIEVED is what saved our entire species, NOT only those who believe specific things ABOUT God and Jesus. Men created those "precepts and doctrines of men" in the religions, NOT God or Jesus.
Funny you should mention what Jesus has done for us. it was our sin that hung Him on that cross.
I'm not going to skip around that in conversation to atheists, or skip around anything else concerning the things of Christ because you think it's irrational.
Funny you should mention what Jesus has done for us. it was our sin that hung Him on that cross.
I'm not going to skip around that in conversation to atheists, or skip around anything else concerning the things of Christ because you think it's irrational.
Then don't expect to be taken seriously in those forums, or as anything but a nuisance.
You are not talking about understanding. To a rational person, the idea that they must somehow believe irrational things because they are deficient in some way (called a sinner) is not asking them to understand. It is asking them to become irrational, like you. That is a different matter entirely than understanding.
Some people think everything comes from Jesus/God so no belief equals none of those things. I've been told I don't understand what love is because I am an atheist. That's just what they believe.
Funny you should mention what Jesus has done for us. it was our sin that hung Him on that cross.
Yes, I prefer to read the description as "Jesus died "because of" our sins (ignorance and savagery) NOT "for" our sins (as in payment or penalty for our sins). The God of agape love Jesus revealed and unambiguously demonstrated would not need any such horrendous scourging and crucifixion to forgive us for ANYTHING!
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I'm not going to skip around that in conversation to atheists, or skip around anything else concerning the things of Christ because you think it's irrational.
To each his own, Charlie. I can't believe things that are NOT rational to me.
Some people think everything comes from Jesus/God so no belief equals none of those things. I've been told I don't understand what love is because I am an atheist. That's just what they believe.
That is preposterous, L8. That is what is called irrational.
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