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Paul keeps you from entering the kingdom of heaven. He never believed in the son of man but certainly made others who tried to fall into a pit.
Blessed is he who walks in the light of the LORD and keeps His ways.
Why, then, did Jesus indirectly substantiate Paul's writings when He said that the Holy Spirit would guide the apostles into all truth? For, in saying that, He directly substantiated Peter's writings.
And Peter substantiated Paul in 2 Peter 3:15-16.
Paul also substantiated the rest of holy scripture in 2 Timothy 3:15-17.
Why, then, did Jesus indirectly substantiate Paul's writings when He said that the Holy Spirit would guide the apostles into all truth? For, in saying that, He directly substantiated Peter's writings.
And Peter substantiated Paul in 2 Peter 3:15-16.
Paul also substantiated the rest of holy scripture in 2 Timothy 3:15-17.
Nothing stands next to the word of God, and that is the law and the prophets, certainly not letters written from a Jew to a church.
I dont think Paul got anything wrong, it's just that Christian's lack the history and the knowledge of Judaism to understand it.
Let's put things in perspective.
Ten years had passed since Jesus and no Gentile had yet joined the circumcision church, the disciples had no idea that there was a way even made for Gentiles.
Ten years, then Peter had his dream about Gentiles, and when it was learned that it was ok for Gentiles to be added, the disciples themselves were at odds about the law and how much the Gentile should keep, and even Peter was at odds with Paul.
The writings of Paul are opinions, NOBODY has ordained a single word as was the law and prophets ordained.
God made an END OF SPEAKING with the last book of the Old Testament.
Jesus had the last word," Those who keep the laws of Moses to then teach others to keep the law will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven"
If you find something of Paul that contradicts what Jesus said, you need to study more, or toss out the words of Paul that Christian's contradict Jesus woth.
There is nothing spoken or written by Paul that contradicts Jesus; if you think there is, then you need to study more and reconcile the scriptures that you think contradict each other.
If Jesus had the last word, then God continued to speak in the New Testament through the words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb 1:1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Jesus was SLAIN (violently murdered or butchered) before the FOUNDATION (disposition and opposition) of the WORLD (inhabitants).
It appears to me that the death of Jesus was brought about through human volition, given the political and religious powers of the day. Although at the same time, Jesus was fully aware that his message (the Kingdom) and what he represented to the status quo would ultimately lead to a violent death. Thus, his life was an issue in setting the captives free from the established, religious sects. But his death was not divinely foreordained as a penal substitution, whereas, there is no greater love than to lay one's own life down for that of another – instead of drawing a sword.
Many are fixated on Jesus' death, and will accept nothing but the blood of Jesus, as "they know not, what they do." Although, there is only ONE whose undeniable innocence (not an ordinary victim) was able to change the process of scapegoating (i.e., a slaughterhouse religion with a ritual carnivorous diet). And it is a saving act of God; a victory over the powers of this world (men) and a defeat of death, reversing it through his Life and Resurrection.
The cross may, indeed be, the centerpiece of the Christian religion, but it is not God's altar. Rather, it is the gospel which was/is/will end all bloodshed, not that of merely exchanging victims (bulls and goats for that of Christ as a substitution). It was a sacrifice to end all sacrificing. Let's not make it a prescription for suffering death, but ONE of LIFE. Through personal experience, the human race will learn how deadly and destructive their choices and beliefs have been. Collectively, we still have not learned that lesson, but we will – that's a promise!
Jesus was SLAIN (violently murdered or butchered) before the FOUNDATION (disposition and opposition) of the WORLD (inhabitants).
It appears to me that the death of Jesus was brought about through human volition, given the political and religious powers of the day. Although at the same time, Jesus was fully aware that his message (the Kingdom) and what he represented to the status quo would ultimately lead to a violent death. Thus, his life was an issue in setting the captives free from the established, religious sects. But his death was not divinely foreordained as a penal substitution, whereas, there is no greater love than to lay one's own life down for that of another – instead of drawing a sword.
Many are fixated on Jesus' death, and will accept nothing but the blood of Jesus, as "they know not, what they do." Although, there is only ONE whose undeniable innocence (not an ordinary victim) was able to change the process of scapegoating (i.e., a slaughterhouse religion with a ritual carnivorous diet). And it is a saving act of God; a victory over the powers of this world (men) and a defeat of death, reversing it through his Life and Resurrection.
The cross may, indeed be, the centerpiece of the Christian religion, but it is not God's altar. Rather, it is the gospel which was/is/will end all bloodshed, not that of merely exchanging victims (bulls and goats for that of Christ as a substitution). It was a sacrifice to end all sacrificing. Let's not make it a prescription for suffering death, but ONE of LIFE. Through personal experience, the human race will learn how deadly and destructive their choices and beliefs have been. Collectively, we still have not learned that lesson, but we will – that's a promise!
There is nothing spoken or written by Paul that contradicts Jesus; if you think there is, then you need to study more and reconcile the scriptures that you think contradict each other.
If Jesus had the last word, then God continued to speak in the New Testament through the words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb 1:1, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Everytime you see, "The word, or scripture" in the NT, it is speaking of the law and prophets, and Gods word ended with the prophets AS GOD SAID IT WOULD.
Again, God made an End of speaking, the letters of Paul do not stand next to Gods word.
God spoke through people and those people said," Thus sayeth the Lord "
What decade do you think it was when the NT became book?
I dont think Paul contradicted Jesus, but your belief contradicts Jesus and everything he said.
I don't think Paul contradicted Jesus, but your belief contradicts Jesus and everything he said.
JBF is a walking contradiction, as he takes a leap of faith but ends up all over the pavement with his loving father, who is a ruthless torturer for all eternity. Both cannot be true at the same time. You can't be a ruthless tormentor and a loving father; for love and hate cannot cohabitate!
JBF is a walking contradiction, as he takes a leap of faith but ends up all over the pavement with his loving father, who is a ruthless torturer for all eternity.
It does defy all rationality and logical consistency.
JBF is a walking contradiction, as he takes a leap of faith but ends up all over the pavement with his loving father, who is a ruthless torturer for all eternity. Both cannot be true at the same time. You can't be a ruthless tormentor and a loving father; for love and hate cannot cohabitate!
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
It does defy all rationality and logical consistency.
Evidently, he is looking for a "golden ticket" based on a punishment and rewards-system that needs its "whipping" boy.
Evidently, he is looking for a "golden ticket" based on a punishment and rewards-system that needs its "whipping" boy.
that system should not concentrate on punishment but concentrate on improving self to be more acceptable to pass the narrow gates.
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Amen!
