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Old 06-28-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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God has no special people
Of course He does. See Jeremiah 32:37-38. While in the Old Covenant, 'God's people' was limited to the descendants of Abraham, now 'God's people' encompasses all nations.

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no special church
There are no "special" churches and "un-special" churches. There's just One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church that was founded by Christ (Matthew 16:18).

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and certainly no special self-appointed successors to the Apostles.
By definition, a successor cannot be "self-appointed", but is chosen by the one prior to him.

Matthias was not self-appointed, but was chosen by the other disciples to replace Judas.
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Old 06-28-2021, 09:59 AM
 
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So your pastor can forgive sins! Oh boy, the self-righteousness of the RCC is overwhelming!
Read John 20:23 and then tell me whether or not Jesus' disciples could forgive sins...
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Old 06-28-2021, 10:21 AM
 
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Read John 20:23 and then tell me whether or not Jesus' disciples could forgive sins...
Who said the RCC has the gift of Christ to perform those things?

That's a self-given gift! It sure didn't come from scripture!

The self-righteousness of RCC has no bounds.

If Peter was the first pope, why didn't he take charge of the Gentile churches Paul built?

Peter spoke very highly of Paul, bragging on his epistles.

Why didn't Paul tell the churches Peter would be in charge?

Why do we not have any of this in scripture?

Let me guess, the RCC says so and you better believe it!
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Old 06-28-2021, 11:00 AM
 
Location: TEXAS
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Who said the RCC has the gift of Christ to perform those things?
That's a self-given gift! It sure didn't come from scripture!
The self-righteousness of RCC has no bounds.
If Peter was the first pope, why didn't he take charge of the Gentile churches Paul built?
Peter spoke very highly of Paul, bragging on his epistles.
Why didn't Paul tell the churches Peter would be in charge?
Why do we not have any of this in scripture?
Let me guess, the RCC says so and you better believe it!
pretty clear in scripture:
Galatians 1:18
Galatians 2:9
Acts 19:13-16
Matthew 18:15-18
Matthew 16:17-19
Isaiah 22:15-22
Luke 22:29-30
Luke 22:32
John 21:15-17


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Old 06-28-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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pretty clear in scripture:
Galatians 1:18
Galatians 2:9
Acts 19:13-16
Matthew 18:15-18
Matthew 16:17-19
Isaiah 22:15-22
Luke 22:29-30
Luke 22:32
John 21:15-17


https://www.parousiamedia.com/unders...g-and-loosing/
Hey, why don't you explain those scripture verses for us so we can plainly see the connection?

I would very much like to see that! Maybe I'll become a Catholic?
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Old 06-28-2021, 11:42 AM
 
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Hey, why don't you explain those scripture verses for us so we can plainly see the connection?
I would very much like to see that! Maybe I'll become a Catholic?
The verses themselves are pretty clear, plus acts 19 shows it's not just anybody can.
If you need a 'writeup' it's already in the link provided.
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Old 06-28-2021, 11:50 AM
 
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It's already written-up in the link provided, plus acts 19 shows it's not just anybody can.
Surly out of courtesy you can take the time to explain just one of them for me here in a post?
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Old 06-28-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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Surly out of courtesy you can take the time to explain just one of them for me here in a post?
I sure will - just busy right now!
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Old 06-28-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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I sure will - just busy right now!
OK, I'll be around!
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Old 06-28-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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In my church (Presbyterian), in Sunday worship, we read a standard confession of sins and then the pastor says, “I declare that you are forgiven”.

But can a pastor actually forgive your sins after you read a confession of sin?

I see that Jesus gave the disciples the power to do that, in John 20:22-23. But that was Jesus giving that authority to specific people.

Further, there are many Bible verses that emphasize the need to repent to be forgiven. And even if repentance is not necessary, simply reading a confession of sin doesn’t necessarily show any faith or contriteness of heart; it’s just a reading.

So…are the members of my church all forgiven every Sunday morning when the pastor says we are?

I don’t think so, but I welcome others’ views.
Declaring something is forgiven is not the same as forgiving. Christians can declare that one is forgiven in Christ, but it's Jesus doing the forgiving.
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