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Old 07-21-2021, 12:27 AM
 
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You need to get a new life, the one you are living has been corrupted.
No; because for the believer, who has Christ's righteousness imputed to him, his righteousness is as fine linen, clean and white (Revelation 19:8).
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:36 AM
 
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No; because for the believer, who has Christ's righteousness imputed to him, his righteousness is as fine linen, clean and white (Revelation 19:8).
Imputed can also mean discredited or to ascribe that of blame, however I have no problem with using it in the context or on the basis of: "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." I see it as an active participation, not one of transferring sin to Christ as a substitution without repentance or taking any responsibility for our own thoughts, deeds, and actions.

If, all of us would exhibit the Grace of God, and the love of Christ Jesus this world would be a better place. Instead, many would rather preach about a wrathful and condemning God who punishes those who miss the mark, or for merely not believing, as in the timid or fearful. However, forgiveness comes from the goodness of his love and mercy, which are also things in which we can participate, while walking in the Spirit with him.
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:49 AM
 
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Imputed can also mean discredited or to ascribe that of blame, however I have no problem with using it in the context or on the basis of: "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." I see it as an active participation, not one of transferring sin to Christ as a substitution without repentance or taking any responsibility for our own thoughts, deeds, and actions.

If, all of us would exhibit the Grace of God, and the love of Christ Jesus this world would be a better place. Instead, many would rather preach about a wrathful and condemning God who punishes those who miss the mark, or for merely not believing, as in the timid or fearful. However, forgiveness comes from the goodness of his love and mercy, which are also things in which we can participate, while walking in the Spirit with him.
Those who will merely and simply receive what Christ has done for them will not be condemned.

However, God the Father does have justice and wrath against sin; and in the final end all sin will be cast into the lake of fire (described in Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50, Revelation 20:10).

If a man will not give his sins to Christ, then his sin will remain in him; and when sin is cast into the lake of fire he will also be cast in.

But if you will relinquish your sins to Christ, they will no longer be on you or in you on your day of judgment; and an entrance will be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11).
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Old 07-21-2021, 12:56 AM
 
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Imputed can also mean discredited or to ascribe that of blame, however I have no problem with using it in the context or on the basis of: "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." I see it as an active participation, not one of transferring sin to Christ as a substitution without repentance or taking any responsibility for our own thoughts, deeds, and actions.

If, all of us would exhibit the Grace of God, and the love of Christ Jesus this world would be a better place. Instead, many would rather preach about a wrathful and condemning God who punishes those who miss the mark, or for merely not believing, as in the timid or fearful. However, forgiveness comes from the goodness of his love and mercy, which are also things in which we can participate, while walking in the Spirit with him.
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Those who will merely and simply receive what Christ has done for them will not be condemned.

However, God the Father does have justice and wrath against sin; and in the final end all sin will be cast into the lake of fire (described in Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50, Revelation 20:10).

If a man will not give his sins to Christ, then his sin will remain in him; and when sin is cast into the lake of fire he will also be cast in.

But if you will relinquish your sins to Christ, they will no longer be on you or in you on your day of judgment; and an entrance will be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11).
I know you believe that a blood sacrifice was necessary, but that is not the case, try repenting!
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Old 07-21-2021, 11:28 AM
 
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I know you believe that a blood sacrifice was necessary, but that is not the case, try repenting!
I know that you believe that a blood sacrifice is not necessary, but that is not the case. Try repenting.

If I repented of believing in what Jesus did for me, there would be no more salvation for me.

Just like there is no salvation for you because you reject what Jesus did for you on the Cross; until you receive that efficacious work that was accomplished by Him.
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Old 07-22-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Imputed can also mean discredited or to ascribe that of blame, however I have no problem with using it in the context or on the basis of: "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." I see it as an active participation, not one of transferring sin to Christ as a substitution without repentance or taking any responsibility for our own thoughts, deeds, and actions.

If, all of us would exhibit the Grace of God, and the love of Christ Jesus this world would be a better place. Instead, many would rather preach about a wrathful and condemning God who punishes those who miss the mark, or for merely not believing, as in the timid or fearful. However, forgiveness comes from the goodness of his love and mercy, which are also things in which we can participate, while walking in the Spirit with him.
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith View Post
Those who will merely and simply receive what Christ has done for them will not be condemned.

However, God the Father does have justice and wrath against sin; and in the final end all sin will be cast into the lake of fire (described in Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50, Revelation 20:10).

If a man will not give his sins to Christ, then his sin will remain in him; and when sin is cast into the lake of fire he will also be cast in.

But if you will relinquish your sins to Christ, they will no longer be on you or in you on your day of judgment; and an entrance will be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:11).
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I know you believe that a blood sacrifice was necessary, but that is not the case, try repenting!
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I know that you believe that a blood sacrifice is not necessary, but that is not the case. Try repenting.

If I repented of believing in what Jesus did for me, there would be no more salvation for me.

Just like there is no salvation for you because you reject what Jesus did for you on the Cross; until you receive that efficacious work that was accomplished by Him.
You need to lay your own life down, that old nature that resides within you, lest it be removed in the Lake of fire! Which apparently you have no comprehension of what it is to save the man himself through that of removing the tares which have grown up within you. Try plowing the field of your own mind for the truth. This would be a good place to begin the journey of actually comprehending the Lake of Fire.

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Old 07-22-2021, 05:20 PM
 
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Imputed can also mean discredited or to ascribe that of blame, however I have no problem with using it in the context or on the basis of: "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." I see it as an active participation, not one of transferring sin to Christ as a substitution without repentance or taking any responsibility for our own thoughts, deeds, and actions.

If, all of us would exhibit the Grace of God, and the love of Christ Jesus this world would be a better place. Instead, many would rather preach about a wrathful and condemning God who punishes those who miss the mark, or for merely not believing, as in the timid or fearful. However, forgiveness comes from the goodness of his love and mercy, which are also things in which we can participate, while walking in the Spirit with him.
What a man believes in his heart he is. If he believes that no matter what he is fallen, he is fallen. That is/was the only thing that could break the cycle, the savagery of the cross. God certainly didn't demand it, just unbelieving and ignorant hearts had to have something to believe in, no matter what it was to break the cycle , so that they can fellowship with God as well. Not all people need a doctor, even the great Doctor said that.
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Old 07-22-2021, 05:32 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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What a man believes in his heart he is. If he believes that no matter what he is fallen, he is fallen. That is/was the only thing that could break the cycle, the savagery of the cross. God certainly didn't demand it, just unbelieving and ignorant hearts had to have something to believe in, no matter what it was to break the cycle , so that they can fellowship with God as well. Not all people need a doctor, even the great Doctor said that.
Are you saying that it wasn't God the Father's will for Jesus to go to the cross?
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Old 07-22-2021, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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What a man believes in his heart he is. If he believes that no matter what he is fallen, he is fallen. That is/was the only thing that could break the cycle, the savagery of the cross. God certainly didn't demand it, just unbelieving and ignorant hearts had to have something to believe in, no matter what it was to break the cycle , so that they can fellowship with God as well. Not all people need a doctor, even the great Doctor said that.
Wrong. It pleased God to crush Him. Isaiah 53:10

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Old 07-22-2021, 06:15 PM
 
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I'm a card-carrying member of the GHG (Going to Heaven Gang). Got my proof
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