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It is not appropriate to fear any created thing. The worst any created thing can do is kill our body.
However, it is appropriate to fear God since He alone has the power to cast us into hell.
I believe that when John said "perfect love casteth out fear", he was talking about earthly fears. The same as Paul when he said that God has not given us a spirit of fear. There is nothing on earth we should fear, period!
None of this contradicts the reality that God ought to be feared, especially if we live in rebellion against Him.
It is not appropriate to fear any created thing. The worst any created thing can do is kill our body.
However, it is appropriate to fear God since He alone has the power to cast us into hell.
I believe that when John said "perfect love casteth out fear", he was talking about earthly fears. The same as Paul when he said that God has not given us a spirit of fear. There is nothing on earth we should fear, period!
None of this contradicts the reality that God ought to be feared, especially if we live in rebellion against Him.
This is such a tragic and primitive rationale that I cannot find the words even to engage with it. Sad, so very, very sad!
It's pretty lame when unbelievers try to throw that on believers.
That tactic usually only works when the person it is being spoken to is actually hardening their heart.
I have seldom encountered more hardened hearts than those revealed by you and Charlie. The veil over your hearts from reading the OT and Moses is about as bad as it can be.
I have seldom encountered more hardened hearts than those revealed by you and Charlie. The veil over your hearts from reading the OT and Moses is about as bad as it can be.
Our hearts have been molded and shaped by the truth of the Lord.
When the clay is being molded in the hands of the potter, it must remain soft.
But there comes a time when the shape that the potter is looking for has been established in the molding.
It is at this juncture that the potter places the clay into the oven and it is hardened into a beautiful vessel.
Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What is beautiful in the Lord's sight may in fact be ugly in the sight of those whose hearts want nothing to do with Him; and vice versa (see Luke 16:15).
If a piece of clay is hardened before the proper time, while the potter is still attempting to mold and shape the vessel, it can be detrimental to the process of forming the vessel that is desired by the potter.
At that point, the exhortation of such verses as Hebrews 3:7-8, 3:15, and 4:7 are in order.
Last edited by justbyfaith; 08-23-2021 at 01:56 AM..
It is not appropriate to fear any created thing. The worst any created thing can do is kill our body.
However, it is appropriate to fear God since He alone has the power to cast us into hell.
I believe that when John said "perfect love casteth out fear", he was talking about earthly fears. The same as Paul when he said that God has not given us a spirit of fear. There is nothing on earth we should fear, period!
None of this contradicts the reality that God ought to be feared, especially if we live in rebellion against Him.
Fear God, that is your message? I hope your not giving too many people life advice. Perfect love casteth out fear BUT....
It is not appropriate to fear any created thing. The worst any created thing can do is kill our body.
However, it is appropriate to fear God since He alone has the power to cast us into hell.
I believe that when John said "perfect love casteth out fear", he was talking about earthly fears. The same as Paul when he said that God has not given us a spirit of fear. There is nothing on earth we should fear, period!
None of this contradicts the reality that God ought to be feared, especially if we live in rebellion against Him.
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Originally Posted by Zero 7
Fear God, that is your message? I hope your not giving too many people life advice. Perfect love casteth out fear BUT....
It all come down to how they view God brother, if they view Him after the fashion of the pagan gods (which are tormenting and fearful gods) then they will of course fear God. However if they start to see God in a different light then the pagan gods, see Him in the light of a loving Father they would no longer fear Him but reverence Him.
What it boils down to is if you are a parent would you do the things you say God will do to that which you brought into the world?
I cannot conceive of any loving parent eternally tormenting that which they brought into the world.
It all come down to how they view God brother, if they view Him after the fashion of the pagan gods (which are tormenting and fearful gods) then they will of course fear God. However if they start to see God in a different light then the pagan gods, see Him in the light of a loving Father they would no longer fear Him but reverence Him.
What it boils down to is if you are a parent would you do the things you say God will do to that which you brought into the world?
I cannot conceive of any loving parent eternally tormenting that which they brought into the world.
I cannot tell you what hell is like other than what I have seen, heard, and experienced here, as well as others have, or what our Father does with all our souls, but I do believe that our Father can put us into an eternal sleep in which we may never wake from. I believe Christ Jesus is the new and everlasting Covenant, but what our Father did in the past, in the OT, was to be greatly feared/revered also, just as a human Father's past may be thought of as being cruel when fighting in a war, trying to teach, protect, and correct the souls of those who were once called His own people..What I am trying to say is, I love God so much that I don't even care what He's done in the past as I am sure there was a good reason for it, and I will defend Him with my dying breath. Furthermore, I do not think God likes to be called pagan and is deeply insulting.
Last edited by glenninindy; 08-23-2021 at 06:32 AM..
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