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"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
That's good, but it isn't the explicit proof you keep demanding from me. When I show you obvious derivations you don't believe they say anything. I am only giving you what you give. These are your standards, not mine.
That's good, but it isn't the explicit proof you keep demanding from me. When I show you obvious derivations you don't believe they say anything. I am only giving you what you give. These are your standards, not mine.
It's not hard to figure out the free will thing. You can serve God or not, He won't force you!
If you didn't have free will to do whatever you want there would be no need for the scripture to show you what is right and wrong. You wouldn't have that choice! You would be a robot.
"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen."
How does that relate to every single decision, intent, idea, desire, commitment, etc. ?
(even those that have no link whatsoever to religion) Thanks.
responding to your topic, NOT everything is "God's WILL." Jehovah God ,(Exo. 6:3). had NOTHING to do with the wickedness on Earth. it's satan who's causes man to do what he wants ,(1John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one). satan caused imperfect man to believe that he can rule over another imperfect man. satan put in man the traits of arrogant, evil, hateful, selfish, etc. but Jehovah God will soon rid satan, his demons and ALL who refuse to live righteously. and he will do this by means of his Son Jesus Christ ,(1John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil). peace
Brightfame and Charlie, I'm not sure if you've really stopped to think about what you just said. Jesus was asking His Father to forgive those who had crucified Him because they didn't realize what they were actually doing. They were acting out of ignorance. That's pretty much which the unbelievers are doing when they reject Jesus. So they would definitely not be excluded from the ones Jesus asked His Father to forgive.
Some unbelievers were forgiven based upon Christs death satisfying Gods law and Justice for them. Those sinners were reconciled to God while being enemies, unbelievers Rom 5:10. However there are some unbelievers of which the wrath of God abides on them, and they shall not see life, meaning they will never see/experience, partake of eternal life, not now, not in the future Jn 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. They are not forgiven because Gods wrath is upon them.
Some unbelievers were forgiven based upon Christs death satisfying Gods law and Justice for them. Those sinners were reconciled to God while being enemies, unbelievers Rom 5:10. However there are some unbelievers of which the wrath of God abides on them, and they shall not see life, meaning they will never see/experience, partake of eternal life, not now, not in the future Jn 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. They are not forgiven because Gods wrath is upon them.
::Sigh:: Another "child of wrath" speaks pretending to be a follower of Christ!
Some unbelievers were forgiven based upon Christs death satisfying Gods law and Justice for them. Those sinners were reconciled to God while being enemies, unbelievers Rom 5:10. However there are some unbelievers of which the wrath of God abides on them, and they shall not see life, meaning they will never see/experience, partake of eternal life, not now, not in the future Jn 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. They are not forgiven because Gods wrath is upon them.
I don't see unbelievers as necessarily being God's enemies. Let's say you'd been born in 3rd Century China, you'd have died without ever having heard of Jesus Christ. You were, however, kind, compassionate and forgiving throughout your relatively short life. Do you believe "God's wrath" would be upon you and that you would have no chance of partaking of eternal life.
This "free will" business, where is that in the bible? I'm being facetious. But you still can't find it explicitly, and that is how much proof you want me to bring. If God didn't put it exactly that way, then it isn't true, you say. But, then, you don't get your bailiwick either.
I think it is important to recognize that there is an argument over whether man actually does have free will. If your argument depends upon it, then it is good to get involved. Oh, and free will may not be what most people think it is.
One thing we know for sure, all the lives of all those people in the bible had already been written before they were born, how can we even look down on Judas?
His fate was sealed before his great, great, great, great grandmother was born.
I don't see unbelievers as necessarily being God's enemies. Let's say you'd been born in 3rd Century China, you'd have died without ever having heard of Jesus Christ. You were, however, kind, compassionate and forgiving throughout your relatively short life. Do you believe "God's wrath" would be upon you and that you would have no chance of partaking of eternal life.
It doesnt matter what you see, its what scripture says.
It doesnt matter what you see, its what scripture says.
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