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Old 06-26-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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Is there any problem with that statement?
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Old 06-26-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Is there any problem with that statement?
It's all assumption, nothing more.
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Old 06-26-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Is there any problem with that statement?
Quite a bit. Apart from Visvaldi's statement above that it is an assumption which only has mileage because we don't really know the mechanism (1), there are a number of other gods who could be given the credit for any postulated creation.

(1) not that it makes any difference. Where we DO know the mechanism like natural selection, it's just dismissed in favour of 'Goddunnit'.
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Old 06-26-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Is there any problem with that statement?
Yes, it is wrong, as everything is random.
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Old 06-26-2010, 01:52 PM
 
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Quite a bit. Apart from Visvaldi's statement above that it is an assumption which only has mileage because we don't really know the mechanism (1), there are a number of other gods who could be given the credit for any postulated creation.

(1) not that it makes any difference. Where we DO know the mechanism like natural selection, it's just dismissed in favour of 'Goddunnit'.
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Yes, it is wrong, as everything is random.
Since random is merely an expression of our ignorance . . . it has no explanatory power. This highlights the central problem with the debates about the unknown. Our beliefs, knowledge, explanations and artificial mathematical correlates are NOT reality and they do not determine nor limit in any way what the underlying reality ACTUALLY IS. They reflect the status of OUR understanding of that reality and . . . they differ widely across the species.

Our ability to manipulate that reality only reflects our ability to grasp SOME of the causative drivers of SOME aspects and relate them to our observations and actions. That I can throw a rock and hit something with it . . . reflects that level of understanding . . . but it in no way explains or delimits WHAT the rock or the something are. Yes . . . we have far more sophisticated and detailed causative understanding than this . . . but it is this simple one that reveals the essential difference I am striving to point out about our knowledge of reality. It is also the one the concrete thinkers have so much difficulty understanding.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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01/31/1879 Dun-Lepoelier, France - Farmer killed by meteorite.

pretty random
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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01/31/1879 Dun-Lepoelier, France - Farmer killed by meteorite.

pretty random
Random simply means we are ignorant of the cause or reason, period. This reveals the dangers in using mathematical artifices with a mathematically illiterate populus. They hide our ignorance in scientifically-seeming jargon.
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:02 PM
 
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Well until you come up with the formula, and supporting calculations, I'll just file it under random, waiting to be proven wrong.

Hint: you saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so..........
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Old 06-26-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Maybe these events aren't random...It sure seems like nature was out to get this guy.

US Park Ranger Roy C. Sullivan from Virginia holds the record for the person most times struck by lightning - and living to tell the tale. Between 1942 and 1983, Roy has the dubious distinction of being struck by lightning seven times. He was known as the Human Lightning Rod.

The first lightning strike in 1942 happened as he was working up in a lookout tower and the lighting bolt shot through his leg and knocked his big toenail off.

In 1969 while he was driving along a mountain road a second strike burned off his eyebrows and knocked him unconscious. Another strike just a year later, while he was walking across his yard to get the mail, left his shoulder seared.

He was standing in the office at the ranger station in 1972 when lightning set his hair on fire and Roy had to throw a bucket of water over his head to cool off. A year later, after his hair had grown back, a lightning bolt ripped through his hat and hit him on the head, setting his hair on fire again. It threw him out of his truck, knocked his left shoe off and seared his legs. A sixth strike hit him in 1976 while he was checking on a campsite, injuring his ankle.

The last lightning bolt to hit Roy in 1977 happened while he was fishing. It sent him to hospital with chest and stomach burns.
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