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It doesnt matter what you see, its what scripture says.
Yeah, well I believe God gave me a brain and expects me to use it. And "what scripture says" is only part of where I get my beliefs about God from.
By the way, nice sidestep. You never did directly answer my question. I want to know what you really believe about how just it would be of God to condemn that decent, caring man (you), just because you had the misfortune of having been born in 3rd-century China instead of in 20th-century America. Would you condemn someone who was in that position? Do you see yourself as being more equitable and more compassionate than God. Without just repeating, "it's what scripture says," please take the time to give me your true thoughts and rationale for your answer.
Yeah, well I believe God gave me a brain and expects me to use it. And "what scripture says" is only part of where I get my beliefs about God from.
By the way, nice sidestep. You never did directly answer my question. I want to know what you really believe about how just it would be of God to condemn that decent, caring man (you), just because you had the misfortune of having been born in 3rd-century China instead of in 20th-century America. Would you condemn someone who was in that position? Do you see yourself as being more equitable and more compassionate than God. Without just repeating, "it's what scripture says," please take the time to give me your true thoughts and rationale for your answer.
Sure is an excellent point.
I'de like to see that answer as well, Christian's have been saying what they have been taught from birth, and it doesnt matter that they contradict themselves daily, they cant see the contradiction as if they believe that through the translation of spirit, that they MUST BE RIGHT, and heck, the spirit done went and assured them they were right because they heard little spirit whispering.
Somebody just has a thought, and because their thought MUST BE the holy spirit speaking, they can just post threads that contradict themselves automatically because the spirit had done gone and told them.
All those poor Hindu, Muslims and Atheist are going to have their fingernails pulled out every day for a trillion years and that isn't even half of eternity.
Afterall, those evil Hindus deserve to be tortured to death
every day for AT LEAST a trillion years for what they never heard about.
It just doesnt make sense, no logic or reason in any of it, and there is a good reason, God saves everyone, but he makes everyone judge themselves.
To think a person would follow such a petty, vindictive evil God is beyond me.
Herews 8 ~ 3 kingdoms, 3 outcomes from 3 sections.
The pattern
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
You are the tabernacle in 3 sections, body, soul, and spirit.
You are the kingdom of heaven in body form, the least of the kingdom, hell, the court of outer darkness and we can change the outcome, but the outcome is still salvation in all 3.
Romans 1 speaks of the light of Creation (1st light),
Romans 2 speaks of the light of conscience (2nd light),
And Romans 3 speaks of the light of Christ (3rd light).
Those who receive the 1st light are open to receive the 2nd light; and those who receive the 2nd light are open to receive the 3rd light.
Of course, all of mankind is born "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1); and therefore most who are born in places where the light of Christ has never been given will very likely never proceed to receive the 2nd light.
But because they have been given the 1st light, they are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20).
Abraham is an example of someone who responded to the lights of Creation and conscience and who, as a result, God revealed Himself to him.
Yeah, well I believe God gave me a brain and expects me to use it. And "what scripture says" is only part of where I get my beliefs about God from.
By the way, nice sidestep. You never did directly answer my question. I want to know what you really believe about how just it would be of God to condemn that decent, caring man (you), just because you had the misfortune of having been born in 3rd-century China instead of in 20th-century America. Would you condemn someone who was in that position? Do you see yourself as being more equitable and more compassionate than God. Without just repeating, "it's what scripture says," please take the time to give me your true thoughts and rationale for your answer.
Im not here to discuss you my friend. But what the scripture said.
Romans 1 speaks of the light of Creation (1st light),
Romans 2 speaks of the light of conscience (2nd light),
And Romans 3 speaks of the light of Christ (3rd light).
Those who receive the 1st light are open to receive the 2nd light; and those who receive the 2nd light are open to receive the 3rd light.
Of course, all of mankind is born "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1); and therefore most who are born in places where the light of Christ has never been given will very likely never proceed to receive the 2nd light.
But because they have been given the 1st light, they are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20).
Abraham is an example of someone who responded to the lights of Creation and conscience and who, as a result, God revealed Himself to him.
A dead man cant respond to anything, hes dead. Next time you see a dead person, shine a light in his eyes and i guarantee he cant see it, wont respond to it. Before a person can respond spiritually, they must first be made alive spiritually, for except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God which is spiritual.
A dead man cant respond to anything, hes dead. Next time you see a dead person, shine a light in his eyes and i guarantee he cant see it, wont respond to it. Before a person can respond spiritually, they must first be made alive spiritually, for except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God which is spiritual.
A man who is physically dead cannot respond to anything.
A man who is physically alive, but spiritually dead, can make a decision to receive Christ with the aliveness of his physically alive brain; being helped along by the Holy Ghost who enables him to make that decision.
Im not here to discuss you my friend. But what the scripture said.
Since when did I ask you to discuss me? I provided a hypothetical situation and asked you to comment in your own words. Apparently you are unable to do so. I understand. At least now you've got something to think about, if you have the courage to. You know, when you read the scriptures, God really does want you to think about how they might apply to real-life situations.
Romans 1 speaks of the light of Creation (1st light),
Romans 2 speaks of the light of conscience (2nd light),
And Romans 3 speaks of the light of Christ (3rd light).
Those who receive the 1st light are open to receive the 2nd light; and those who receive the 2nd light are open to receive the 3rd light.
Of course, all of mankind is born "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1); and therefore most who are born in places where the light of Christ has never been given will very likely never proceed to receive the 2nd light.
But because they have been given the 1st light, they are "without excuse" (Romans 1:20).
Abraham is an example of someone who responded to the lights of Creation and conscience and who, as a result, God revealed Himself to him.
Good discussion going and next week I'll be able to post the exact quote that prompted the thread. In the meantime proceed with this important discussion.
A man who is physically dead cannot respond to anything.
A man who is physically alive, but spiritually dead, can make a decision to receive Christ with the aliveness of his physically alive brain; being helped along by the Holy Ghost who enables him to make that decision.
And a person who is spiritually dead cant respond to anything spiritual except in a negative way, because they spiritually dead.
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