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Old 08-13-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen." ................
I find God's Will is free-willed choices.
God does Not interfere with out free-will choices.
If God is in charge of his church, then they better Not interfere with anything that is happening there.
They better Not stop criminals if someone in that church is committing a crime because God is in charge !
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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The will of God is through the Word of God, go and do it ..... See when people pray outside the will of God than God would not even hear that prayer
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:15 PM
 
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The will of God is through the Word of God, go and do it ..... See when people pray outside the will of God than God would not even hear that prayer

Is it even possible for the all-knowing God to ignore anything, such as, for example, an unworthy prayer?


If God doesn't hear the unworthy prayer, how can he see it as unworthy?
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:24 PM
 
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The veracity of that theory depends on its ability (or not) to deal with God's omniscience.


Does God know what you're going to do? Sure he does, because he made you and the world you live in. Before creation, the universe was an idea in the mind of God, rather like a blueprint that shows how everything fits together and how the whole system changes over time. Then He approved the design and made it just so, and he watches history unfold exactly to spec. No deviation from the plan is possible. He is God, after all.


Now let me ask you this: God saw in his mind a world in which you cut off Suzie's pony tail in the second grade. God put that world into production and declared it good, which includes all the events he foresaw happening in it. You had no other real option, did you? If you hadn't picked up the scissors, it would not be the world that God made and approved.

In what sense can you say that God did not want you to cut off Suzie's ponytail?
Look. Does God want people to sin? No. Do people sin? Yes. Case closed. The sovereignty of God and the volition of man co-exist in history by the will of God. God knows all the knowable, both the actual and the possible. He knew what you actually would do and what you might have done in any given circumstance. He degreed what he knew you would actually do but did not decree any of the alternative actions you might have chosen to do but did not do. God knowing in advance what you would do in a given circumstance does not force you to do it.
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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Is it even possible for the all-knowing God to ignore anything, such as, for example, an unworthy prayer? If God doesn't hear the unworthy prayer, how can he see it as unworthy?
All-knowing does Not have to mean that God chooses to know everything.
God gave Adam the choice. Adam made up his own deliberate choice according to the Bible at 1st Timothy 2:14.
Hear and listen to can also be different: God can choose to hear a prayer but God does Not have to listen to it.
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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The will of God is through the Word of God, go and do it ..... See when people pray outside the will of God than God would not even hear that prayer
So then, a determining factor would be what is in a person's heart, their seat of motivation moving him to do something.
Thus, those who observe God's standards doing what pleases, then God's 'ears' are open to that person.
Conversely that leaves those who disregard God's Word will Not have a favorable hearing from God.
- Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 15:29; 28:9; Isaiah 1:15; Micah 3:4
So, a person can hinder their own prayers.
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Old 08-13-2021, 05:18 PM
 
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"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen."

How does that relate to every single decision, intent, idea, desire, commitment, etc. ?
(even those that have no link whatsoever to religion)

Thanks.
technically, natural law is will of God.
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Old 08-13-2021, 05:49 PM
 
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"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen."
That's a wish to hope for, and sounds nice and churchy, but that's not how we see it actually working.

If a church is corrupt, for example, God isn't going to descend on it and clean house. He'll watch and hope for change, but it's up to the people. If nothing happens, worst case, he'll have to do the reprimanding on the other side.

All you have to do is look in basically any church, and you'll see things going on that are not of God's will or desire.

He's depending on us to get it right. He's not our babysitter, or our personal assistant assigned to fix matters. He's given us all the direction we need, and it's up to us.
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Old 08-13-2021, 06:08 PM
 
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"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen."

How does that relate to every single decision, intent, idea, desire, commitment, etc. ?
(even those that have no link whatsoever to religion)

Thanks.
Sorry but no.

“The LORD is the shield of those who walk honestly.”

God’s will is not what man thinks it is.

Jesus said He came to do the will of God. He said He came to spread the good news and testify the truth. So what He tells us is that spreading the truth is God’s will. The truth being the word of God.
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Old 08-14-2021, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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"Rev. Williams is not in charge of this church; God is. It doesn’t matter how badly I want certain things to happen. If it is not God’s will, it’s not going to happen."

How does that relate to every single decision, intent, idea, desire, commitment, etc. ?
(even those that have no link whatsoever to religion)

Thanks.

Not a Bible teaching of course. If that was the case everyone would be doing Jehovah's will, when the Bible teaches that only a few are on the road to life. Mat 7:14. You don't actually believe him correct Howard?
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