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It is the accuser , always using scripture as well, to trick us into thinking we are no good and just filthy rags before God.
So are you saying that Jesus was wrong when he said that only God is good?
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, ''Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Now listen. The language is comparative. Very obviously people have different degrees of ''goodness'' humanly speaking. Some people are very good. Some people are utter scum buckets. But no matter how good a person is in human terms, his goodness . . .his righteousness simply cannot measure up to God's perfect righteousness. Therefore the comparative language of Isaiah 64:6.
Isa. 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.
Our relative and imperfect righteousness cannot compare with the absolute and perfect righteousness of God. That does not mean that people aren't capable of doing good things and it doesn't mean that the human race is worthless to God. Indeed, God became man and went to the cross to die for our sins so that salvation could be made available to mankine.
I agree, but I'd really, really like a straight answer from BF as to whether he actually believes God wanted the Holocaust to happen.
Along these same lines, if everything God wants to happen happens, does everything He wants not to happen not happen? Using this logic, we could spend our entire lives in pursuit of fame, money, power, etc. without regard for our fellow men, and at the end of the day, we could justify our actions by saying, "Well, I got what I wanted, even though I had to destroy the lives of many innocent people. And since it all went my way, it was obviously God's will." How messed up is that?
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
We’ll never know, because it didn’t happen...
Am I misunderstanding you Richard? Did you just say that the Holocaust didn't happen?
I can't see how one would worship a god that is powerless to stop something like that. If you believe God was incapable of stopping it, what kind of a god is that?
Do you believe God was incapable of keeping Nebuchadnezzar from laying siege on Jerusalem? And all the horrors that went along with that? Daniel thought so. It says it right in the first chapter of Daniel. God raised up Nebuchadnezzar in judgment of Israel. And he prays a prayer of repentance in Daniel 9.
The question that we should ask is "Why did God allow it? Why did God allow them to be conquered by Nebuchadnezzar?
Or why did God allow them to be enslaved by Egypt?
Scripture tells us the reason they went into Exile to Babylon. It's their sin Scripture also tells us the reason for their enslavement in Egypt. You may not like it, but it's there to read.
Genesis 15:13-16 "Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. 14 But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. 16 And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
God allowed them to be enslaved in Egypt so he could incubate them and grow them from 70 people to several million, as well as allow the Amorites to add to their sin. He then judged Egypt and the Amorites for their sin.
God allowed them to be taken into captivity in Babylon because of Israel's collective sin and repeated violation of the Mosaic Law.
So we see that sometimes God allows bad things to happen to judge the person it happens to, other times it's to judge someone else for their sin.
God allowed the Holocaust to happen for a reason. It's above my pay grade to speculate any reason why God allowed it. Maybe he is/was judging Germany, or maybe Israel. I honestly can't say and I will not suggest that anyone deserves what happened any more than anyone else.
It appears to me, that it was up to humanity to intervene, and not live in a fantasy world of make believe that he will save some, but not others.
I've been offline a couple days. Just answered it, and documented my answer with Scripture.
Thank you. The objection I have is to your view that it is part of God's Will that it happened. It was God's Sovereign Will to cede to us Dominion over the earth and all that happens here but He also gave us free will to do so. It has nothing to do with His power to stop us. It has to do with His granting us the free will and Dominion to handle our own affairs. He certainly did NOT Will the Holocaust or any other negative or evil thing we have done, including the scourging and crucifixion of His Son! He simply does not TAKE BACK what He has granted to us -- Dominion and free will.
Thank you. The objection I have is to your view that it is part of God's Will that it happened. It was God's Sovereign Will to cede to us Dominion over the earth and all that happens here but He also gave us free will to do so. It has nothing to do with His power to stop us. It has to do with His granting us the free will and Dominion to handle our own affairs. He certainly did NOT Will the Holocaust or any other negative or evil thing we have done, including the scourging and crucifixion of His Son! He simply does not TAKE BACK what He has granted to us -- Dominion and free will.
I really didn't say why the Holocaust happened. I said it was above my pay grade to judge that.
On the other hand, your view seems to be that evil has no purpose. That God could stop it, but doesn't care to. Why would anyone want to worship a god that is that disconnected from the world?
I really didn't say why the Holocaust happened. I said it was above my pay grade to judge that.
On the other hand, your view seems to be that evil has no purpose. That God could stop it, but doesn't care to. Why would anyone want to worship a god that is that disconnected from the world?
There you go again. Whoever claimed God is disconnected from the world? Dominion and disconnection are two entirely different things. Genesis is quite clear God gave man dominion over the Earth. Your like the accuser , slipping words into something someone else says. Very crafty.
There you go again. Whoever claimed God is disconnected from the world? Dominion and disconnection are two entirely different things. Genesis is quite clear God gave man dominion over the Earth. Your like the accuser , slipping words into something someone else says. Very crafty.
Let's let mystic answer that. He was the one I responded to. In his world view of agape love for everyone evil happens, but God apparently doesn't cause it, nor does he care to stop it.
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How messed up is that?
