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Are you seriously saying that God wanted the Holocaust to happen?
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Thank you. The objection I have is to your view that it is part of God's Will that it happened. It was God's Sovereign Will to cede to us Dominion over the earth and all that happens here but He also gave us free will to do so. It has nothing to do with His power to stop us. It has to do with His granting us the free will and Dominion to handle our own affairs. He certainly did NOT Will the Holocaust or any other negative or evil thing we have done, including the scourging and crucifixion of His Son! He simply does not TAKE BACK what He has granted to us -- Dominion and free will.
That is correct mystic, we (collectively) have dominion and (collectively) are reaping what has been sown
There is layering and timing that we as individuals are generally not aware of unless it is revealed and it is not revealed if you are not prepared for it
There is a dimensional nature to everything and there are connections between things that are not purely physical and immediate
People blame only Hitler for The holocaust but he is the figurehead and there are a lot who have a “part” in it, it is more of a societal problem and unfolded in that way from seeds sown previously and had to do with the mindset of the people in Germany, the tension between the RCC, Protestant, Jewish that was already seeded and growing
This is part of the national judgements that have been prophecied since the “beginning” “Genesis” but we need to separate symbolic/metaphoric/prophetic from the fulfillment that happens in the “latter days” and we do not see them until they come to pass in their/our own “time” “generation”
There is a great complexity and at times we need to filter out irrelevant stuff/chaff and focus on the relevant to the topics at hand
Why create beings you already know are doomed to failure, just to punish them for being what you created. Just does not make any sense to me whatsoever.
You're right, it doesn't - - so long as we take seriously the idea that God is angered by sin and wants retribution for it. That's the idea that needs to be reinterpreted or thrown out. Sin is error, and finite beings like us are bound to err.
Why make us at all? Maybe because nothing much interesting happens when you're infinite. Everything is known, everything is seen, nothing at all happens that was not foreseen. Taking joy and fascination in life seems possible only when there's a finite realm with limitations. We don't know what's going to happen, and He can experience that sensation through us vicariously. We give joy to God not so much with our praise and adoration as with the human view of life.
You're right, it doesn't - - so long as we take seriously the idea that God is angered by sin and wants retribution for it. That's the idea that needs to be reinterpreted or thrown out. Sin is error, and finite beings like us are bound to err.
Why make us at all? Maybe because nothing much interesting happens when you're infinite. Everything is known, everything is seen, nothing at all happens that was not foreseen. Taking joy and fascination in life seems possible only when there's a finite realm with limitations. We don't know what's going to happen, and He can experience that sensation through us vicariously. We give joy to God not so much with our praise and adoration as with the human view of life.
Yes, a vengeful, cruel deity (wrath of God) and the resultant fear-based “obedience” is off-putting to many.
You're right, it doesn't - - so long as we take seriously the idea that God is angered by sin and wants retribution for it. That's the idea that needs to be reinterpreted or thrown out. Sin is error, and finite beings like us are bound to err.
Why make us at all? Maybe because nothing much interesting happens when you're infinite. Everything is known, everything is seen, nothing at all happens that was not foreseen. Taking joy and fascination in life seems possible only when there's a finite realm with limitations. We don't know what's going to happen, and He can experience that sensation through us vicariously. We give joy to God not so much with our praise and adoration as with the human view of life.
Well, you have found the right man in Mystic to help you throw it out!
Scripture means nothing to him, he's already thrown out several verses.
Yes, a vengeful, cruel deity (wrath of God) and the resultant fear-based “obedience” is off-putting to many.
It is also the complete OPPOSITE of God's Holy Spirit of agape love as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus Christ on the Cross!!!! How the wrathful God meme has survived this long is beyond me!!!
It is also the complete OPPOSITE of God's Holy Spirit of agape love as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus Christ on the Cross!!!! How the wrathful God meme has survived this long is beyond me!!!
Probably due to the content of the religious texts which are the foundation of Christianity.
Do you mean there is actually someone named Rev. Williams?
Again...what's your point?
The last name of Williams is actual and the scenario is not a hypothetical.
Using "it was or was not God's will" when it comes to simple things that are not religiously based.
The example of asking someone to clean the bathroom and that person declines. People take turns doing such chores. Susan was asked and she declined Rev. says it was God's will that she declined. Everything no matter what it is.......is said to have been God's will that it did or did not happen.
The last name of Williams is actual and the scenario is not a hypothetical.
Using "it was or was not God's will" when it comes to simple things that are not religiously based.
The example of asking someone to clean the bathroom and that person declines. People take turns doing such chores. Susan was asked and she declined Rev. says it was God's will that she declined. Everything no matter what it is.......is said to have been God's will that it did or did not happen.
Seems a little over the top.
I'm a Calvinist. I believe strongly in God's Sovereignty, but I do believe that we have the ability to make choices within our nature.
I'm a Calvinist. I believe strongly in God's Sovereignty, but I do believe that we have the ability to make choices within our nature.
bingo I agree with you. .
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