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It's not difficult to interpret the scripture when you accept all of it as truth and begin to weed out what others say is there, but plain to see it's not!
It is only easy because you deliberately blind yourself to the truth about God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus on the Cross, Charlie. You refuse even to try to see if what you and our ancestors thought is true actually fits with the True Nature of God's Holy Spirit.
You blindly pretend it all fits and there is no misunderstanding of God at all despite the HUGE contradiction between the nature of God revealed by Jesus on the Cross and your wrathful and vengeful War God from the OT and Moses.
The extremely twisted and convoluted rationale about God exercising His wrath on Himself via His Son to appease Himself for some ill-defined "sins of mankind" is beyond preposterous. I do not know how any sane or reasonable person could ever accept such a ridiculous explanation for what our ancestors' wrath did to Jesus who displayed not the slightest inkling of wrath or vengeance on the Cross.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 08-24-2021 at 06:05 PM..
It is only easy because you deliberately blind yourself to the truth about God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus on the Cross, Charlie. You refuse even to try to see if what you and our ancestors thought is true actually fits with the True Nature of God's Holy Spirit.
You blindly pretend it all fits and there is no misunderstanding of God at all despite the HUGE contradiction between the nature of God revealed by Jesus on the Cross and your wrathful and vengeful War God from the OT and Moses.
The extremely twisted and convoluted rationale about God exercising His wrath on Himself via His Son to appease Himself for some ill-defined "sins of mankind" is beyond preposterous. I do not know how any sane or reasonable person could ever accept such a ridiculous explanation for what our ancestors' wrath did to Jesus who displayed not the slightest inkling of wrath or vengeance on the Cross.
Your insights are usually dead-on and always interesting. But it seems to me that youhide your light under a bushel of personal rancor, especially when engaging with certain members.
Which of these approaches stands a better chance of moving the dialog in a productive way?
1) "Bob, you willfully ignorant fool, only a raving lunatic could say such a thing."
2) "I can understand why you might think so, Bob, but your theory breaks down in light of . . ."
Two, obviously, but I know how hard it is sometimes to maintain patience and how easy it is to slip into vitriol. When patience fails it's best to withdraw. It's a sign that the time is not right for the other to move.
You don't know what Charlie is going through in his life, which you would have to know to rightly assign causes and motives. Charlie is in fact just exactly where he needs to be in his walk with God, as are you and I. And I am optimistic enough to think that Brother Charlie and Brother Mystic could have the most brilliant and edifying conversations if they stopped calling each other "Poopie Pants".
Your insights are usually dead-on and always interesting. But it seems to me that youhide your light under a bushel of personal rancor, especially when engaging with certain members.
Which of these approaches stands a better chance of moving the dialog in a productive way?
1) "Bob, you willfully ignorant fool, only a raving lunatic could say such a thing."
2) "I can understand why you might think so, Bob, but your theory breaks down in light of . . ."
Two, obviously, but I know how hard it is sometimes to maintain patience and how easy it is to slip into vitriol. When patience fails it's best to withdraw. It's a sign that the time is not right for the other to move.
You don't know what Charlie is going through in his life, which you would have to know to rightly assign causes and motives. Charlie is in fact just exactly where he needs to be in his walk with God, as are you and I. And I am optimistic enough to think that Brother Charlie and Brother Mystic could have the most brilliant and edifying conversations if they stopped calling each other "Poopie Pants".
I accept this as the sincere critique it was intended to be and accede that it is accurate. My earlier attempts to penetrate the two-millennia-old wall of ancient ignorance about God from the OT and Moses were more subtle. Subtlety is completely lost on those who have been so thoroughly indoctrinated into the prevailing dogma. Sadly, that seems to encompass the vast majority of Christians who, IMO, are more correctly called Bibleians.
I adopted Christianity entirely because of Christ, NOT ANY of the dogma promoted as the "precepts and doctrines of men" ABOUT Jesus and God, so It has been an education in the power of indoctrination for sure! The story of Christ is the purest version of the spiritual script or template that has been presented in so many prior but more primitive versions. The influence of God's consciousness is confirmed by the existence of this template, IMO, but it has been terribly mangled by the primitive ignorance and belief in a wrathful and vengeful God.
It should be clear that God has basically four types of what we might call His will.
1) There is His permissive will. God is sovereign but He allows sin to be a factor in things and when, for example, an atrocity such as murder happens, it does not mean that God isn't sovereign and in control but that God, in His permissive will, allowed that atrocity to occur.. Because it is inherent in His permissive will that He has given free will to man and angels and every other creature.
2) There is His legislative will. This is found most clearly in the law of the Lord; and may or may not be established in the heart of a man.
3) There is His active will. This is where God personally intervenes in the affairs of mankind and accomplishes His perfect will for a particular situation on earth.
4) There is His perfect will. I believe that this will ultimately be established in heaven; where there will be no one who is in rebellion to His legislative will. This is where God's active will has culminated in everyone being in subjection to His legislative will; so that in heaven there will be nothing that is against His good, pleasing, and perfect will.
Last edited by justbyfaith; 08-26-2021 at 11:34 PM..
Let me ask you Doc, the citizens of God's Kingdom are being gathered now, we are quite extensive and have our laws given under the new covenant. What laws of that Kingdom do you disagree with?
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
What laws are you referring to, Highway54?
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Originally Posted by highway54
One is found at Hebrews 10:24,25 sir.
...let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
Why would he disagree with stirring up love for one-another or for being an encouragement to others?
Although, your play on words: "we are quite extensive..." is merely referring to the J.W. Organization.
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