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Old 12-15-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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"I believe every word that the Bible says about 'THE RAPURE.'" In other words, nothing.
Hahaha! U r so right. It says nothing about it.
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Old 12-15-2021, 11:49 AM
 
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Hahaha! U r so right. It says nothing about it.
Yes it does as I have previously shown.
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Old 12-15-2021, 12:56 PM
 
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Yes it does as I have previously shown.
Lol, no it doesnt.


You are continuously speaking of appointed events, traditions and sayings said and done on their appointed days that you dont know anything about because you simply reject the ways and knowledge of Jesus.


You are talking about the Last trump, but you think even the name," Last Trump," is some new made up name that Paul just pulled out of the air.

You are continously speaking of the 7 appointed feasts and what is appointed to happen in those feasts, but you have no idea that you are even speaking of them.


What is the hour and the date of the last trump?


In 2022, on what date will the last trump be blown?

I bet you dont know the date, but you sure want to speak of the day.

The day of division is Rosh Hashanah when the last trump is blown EVERY YEAR.
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Old 12-15-2021, 01:03 PM
 
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Lol, no it doesnt.
Yes it does, and for the reasons I've already stated on this thread.
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Old 12-15-2021, 01:04 PM
 
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" Then we who are left alive and remain?"


Paul is directly referencing what happens on Rosh Hashanah and the feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14.

Zechariah 14 is saying that God is coming to fight all those people who fight against Jerusalem and her feasts.

Zechariah 14 is detailing mass death for those people who reject the feast of Tabernacles



After God kills all the Christians who teach against the 7 feasts of Messiah, it is then that Paul says," Then we who remain."

" We who are left alive."
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Old 12-15-2021, 01:17 PM
 
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" Then we who are left alive and remain?"


Paul is directly referencing what happens on Rosh Hashanah and the feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14.

Zechariah 14 is saying that God is coming to fight all those people who fight against Jerusalem and her feasts.

Zechariah 14 is detailing mass death for those people who reject the feast of Tabernacles



After God kills all the Christians who teach against the 7 feasts of Messiah, it is then that Paul says," Then we who remain."

" We who are left alive."
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Old 12-15-2021, 02:37 PM
 
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Michael, when do you think the last trump is?

The temple's name is," The house of Trumpets," do you know why?

Because it has a whole science of blowing trumpets for communication.


This is Rosh Hashanah," The last Trump."


Do you want to pretend that the last trump is not blown on Rosh Hashanah or that its called," The last Trump?"

Again, you continually make stuff up about known holy days, traditions and rituals you dont know.


For some reason, you think thousands of years of traditions, idioms, and sayings dont exist because you never heard of them.


What else is said and done on Rosh Hashanah during the day of division?

What is the congregation doing and saying? What are the duties of the priests and their sayings on Rosh Hashanah?


On Rosh Hashanah, everyone is sealed in their foreheads and right hands by what worship system they keep, that is the law.


What scriptures are spoken only on Rosh Hashanah?


Before you can have an opinion on a subject, you have to actually study the subject you want an opinion on.


You have no valid opinion because you are literally ignorant of the 7 feasts of Messiah and what they are appointed to do.


Zero opinion.





This is how sad it is, every Christian wants an opinion on the ways of Christ and his missions, but nobody wants to actually study the ways of Jesus

To a Christian, learning of Jesus is evil, how dare anyone try to learn the 7 feasts of Messiah.
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Old 12-15-2021, 04:04 PM
 
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Michael, when do you think the last trump is?

The temple's name is," The house of Trumpets," do you know why?

Because it has a whole science of blowing trumpets for communication.


This is Rosh Hashanah," The last Trump."


Do you want to pretend that the last trump is not blown on Rosh Hashanah or that its called," The last Trump?"

Again, you continually make stuff up about known holy days, traditions and rituals you dont know.


For some reason, you think thousands of years of traditions, idioms, and sayings dont exist because you never heard of them.


What else is said and done on Rosh Hashanah during the day of division?

What is the congregation doing and saying? What are the duties of the priests and their sayings on Rosh Hashanah?


On Rosh Hashanah, everyone is sealed in their foreheads and right hands by what worship system they keep, that is the law.


What scriptures are spoken only on Rosh Hashanah?


Before you can have an opinion on a subject, you have to actually study the subject you want an opinion on.


You have no valid opinion because you are literally ignorant of the 7 feasts of Messiah and what they are appointed to do.


Zero opinion.





This is how sad it is, every Christian wants an opinion on the ways of Christ and his missions, but nobody wants to actually study the ways of Jesus

To a Christian, learning of Jesus is evil, how dare anyone try to learn the 7 feasts of Messiah.
The rapture of the church takes place before the Tribulation ever begins and therefore before any of the trumpet judgments mentioned in Revelation. The last trump mentioned by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is not a reference to the last trumpet judgment of Revelation. By way of comparison, in Revelation 4:1 when John is told to ''Come up here'' and is taken up to heaven in his vision, the voice he hears is like the sound of a trumpet. Whatever Paul meant by ''the last trumpet'' in 1 Cor. 15:52 and in 1 Thess 4:16 where he mentions ''the trumpet of God'' it wasn't the seventh and last trumpet of Revelation.

Although Revelation 10:7 refers to the seventh and last trumpet judgment of the Tribulation, Matthew 24:31 refers to a trumpet that sounds after the Tribulation. Therefore is no justification for assuming that Paul's reference to ''the last trump'' refers to the seventh trump of Revelation or to the trumpet mentioned in Matthew 24:31.

As I said earlier on this thread, in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 the chronology is the rapture first in chapter 4 and then the Day of the Lord in chapter 5. The Day of the Lord is a reference to the Tribulation. And as Paul wrote, ''For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation (deliverance) through our Lord Jesus Christ.'' That is a reference to the church being delivered from the wrath of God not with regard to eternal salvation in this context, but to being delivered from the judgments of the Tribulation. For in the Tribulation, ''the great day of their (the Father and the Son) wrath has come'' (Revelation 6:17).

Here are a number of articles concerning 'the Last Trumpt' by theologians who hold to the pre-tribulation rapture if anyone is interested in reading them.

https://www.raptureready.com/search_...20last%20trump

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Old 12-15-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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What Michael Way said.
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Old 12-15-2021, 09:00 PM
 
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The rapture of the church takes place before the Tribulation ever begins and therefore before any of the trumpet judgments mentioned in Revelation. The last trump mentioned by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 is not a reference to the last trumpet judgment of Revelation. By way of comparison, in Revelation 4:1 when John is told to ''Come up here'' and is taken up to heaven in his vision, the voice he hears is like the sound of a trumpet. Whatever Paul meant by ''the last trumpet'' in 1 Cor. 15:52 and in 1 Thess 4:16 where he mentions ''the trumpet of God'' it wasn't the seventh and last trumpet of Revelation.

Although Revelation 10:7 refers to the seventh and last trumpet judgment of the Tribulation, Matthew 24:31 refers to a trumpet that sounds after the Tribulation. Therefore is no justification for assuming that Paul's reference to ''the last trump'' refers to the seventh trump of Revelation or to the trumpet mentioned in Matthew 24:31.

As I said earlier on this thread, in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 the chronology is the rapture first in chapter 4 and then the Day of the Lord in chapter 5. The Day of the Lord is a reference to the Tribulation. And as Paul wrote, ''For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation (deliverance) through our Lord Jesus Christ.'' That is a reference to the church being delivered from the wrath of God not with regard to eternal salvation in this context, but to being delivered from the judgments of the Tribulation. For in the Tribulation, ''the great day of their (the Father and the Son) wrath has come'' (Revelation 6:17).

Here are a number of articles concerning 'the Last Trumpt' by theologians who hold to the pre-tribulation rapture if anyone is interested in reading them.

https://www.raptureready.com/search_...20last%20trump
Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation both begin on Rosh Hashanah appointed for the second coming of the Lord.


Revelation 1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


Yea, I know you dont believe what it says, Matthew 24 says the same thing, " When you get there, after you see the abomination in you.


You think the abomination of desolation is not within you?
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