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Old 08-19-2008, 09:56 PM
 
Location: NY
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Originally Posted by ChaplainBubba View Post
In researching Pastor Melissa Scott to determine her position on the Doctrines of the Christian Faith I found so much other than what I was looking for regarding this matter. So many people with twisted thoughts and ideas; I am amazed at the lack of wisdom and the egotistical moronic attitude some people have, this include those with PhDs’ and any other ‘advanced’ degree! I am by definition a fundamental Judaic-Christian. I served as a Pastor /Missionary, and hospital Chaplain for a total of 20 years active and 3 years inactive due to a disabling illness. I know what it is like to live in a fish Bowl and have those who thought they knew what was right criticize and demand perfection of me. Due to that experience I can certainly understand why Pastor Melissa Scott and any other Minister (more so if your ministry is very public) remains Guarded. Yes, I believe the Bible in its original text is the inerrant word of God. God the Holy Sprit guided men through the Canonization process to choose the truly God breathed words to be the Holy Bible. I further believe that the King James 1611, 4th revision, the New King James version, and the New American Standard version are the most correct version, and then the NIV is perhaps the most accurate in today’s standard English. I am troubled that the New King James, New American Standard, and NIV are all copywrited and technically you are suppose to get the copywriters permission to use it for any purpose than personal reading, just like music. With that said let me move on.

I just started watching her and I have yet see her teach anything inappropriately. I have investigated the issue of a woman Pastor as per 1 Timothy chapters 2 and 3. I have followed the principals of exegetical and hermeneutic study and believe God wants men to take a stand and be leaders (this is where Adam failed). Men should be the Pastor, Bishop, and Elder over a congregation. If there are no qualified men then an exception would be allowed until a qualified and CALLED man is available. This is not a sexist comment it is a fact of GOD’s WORD! Now, if Pastor Scott feels differently and her congregation follows her that is their choice! Paul was told by God, if they do things differently, ok that is there choice as long as the true gospel is being taught; Salvation is only through Jesus the Christ!
Ms Scott calling herself a Pastor is not my problem. It is hers and those who are members of that Church. If they are Ok with it and accept that is their business. I also understand that women have insight on matters that we as men seem to lack full understanding. I know that since watching her, every message she has taught has been 100% accurate and on target! In fact her messages have been a great source of comfort and strength for me. I am facing some issues that require extra prayer, faith and study. Her messages about giants in our lives, being faithful to God, turmoil, tribulations in our lives is just part of the journey; so maintain your faith in God, heed the Holy Sprit, all made possible because of Jesus the Christ! The past is under the Blood, forgiven and forgotten; something many people need to wake up too!
I read complaints about her being a porn actress/ model, that she isn’t educated, or at least only has a high school diploma, she fakes what she knows about language, because the boards a prewritten prior to the service. Some add critical remarks about her accent and how it changes depending on what she is sharing; oh how pathetic! If past sin were disqualifying criteria for being a Called Servant of God, many Ministers would have to quit! This is part of that fish bowl affect Minister too often experience, but shouldn’t! If God calls you out, and you accept; you are redeemed, past is wash away and the future is sealed by the Holy Sprit! So bury Pastors Scott’s past were it belongs, Yes she is attractive, but I have only seen her in a Ministers habit, black trousers, black jacket and pastors shirt and collar. She is defiantly trying to be modest and present herself as a Pastor. God has! Many criticize her age difference to Pastor Gene Scott and his reason for marring Pastor Melissa. I say, ‘So what!’ that is between Pastor Gene, Melissa and God! Perhaps God understood their intellect, ability to teach each other and other capabilities we don’t see. As to her education, I’m not hung up about it, weather she was taught by Pastor Gene with self study or a major university it doesn’t matter! Look how Jesus taught the Apostles and Disciples, at His feet when they gather together; no university or seminary; no degree (accept Paul)! Can you imagine, today they would be written off as useless!
The criticism about the white board and her accent is ridiculous! It makes sense to have everything prewritten, it saves time! I have seen her add or subtract words on the ‘fly’; add the accent for genuine affect and you have a perfect score! I couldn’t believe any one with an education would criticize her accent change! I worked with linguist civilians and military, all agreed mastering the language includes the accent. From what I’ve observed she has exhalent command of the language she uses.
Bottom line is some non-believers who don’t know what they are talking about add nasty comments, dredging up Pastor Scott’s past (if indeed that is her) all to discredit her! For get it, leave her alone and focus on your own vessel!
On more than one occasion reminded them of Christ words prior to removing the splinter in my eye, first remove the toothpick out of your eye. Also His instructions in Mathew were first go to the offender and express your disappointment one on one. If he rejects and continues offending go again and take a fellow believer and the two of you express the need for him to stop offending. If that fails then you go to the Church body and demand he change his offensive ways, if he refuses then tell him to leave and have no more to do with him until he repents.
this is a phenominal post, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts! -OP
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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truth is truth.
the bible is clear
its wrong....just cuz in 2000's its cool to be pro-WOMAN... does not change the Word of God.
get over yourselves....you cant change the Word of God....

black and white


..."in the end days, yes will be no, and no will be yes".....
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Old 08-20-2008, 11:05 AM
 
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truth is truth.
the bible is clear
its wrong....just cuz in 2000's its cool to be pro-WOMAN... does not change the Word of God.
get over yourselves....you cant change the Word of God....

black and white


..."in the end days, yes will be no, and no will be yes".....
Sounds to me like Saudi Arabia or Iran might be good fit for viewpoints such as these. Fact is, the Bible has been used to justify all manner of evil up through the centuries -- torture, genocide, burning at the stake, slavery, racism, and now apparently, rolling women back to "their place" -- wherever that might be. The Church has many, many times found itself on the wrong side of civil rights and repented. The key for me is always this: what did Jesus say? He was quite silent on whether or not women could teach the Word of God. Jesus, as a point of fact, was quite anti-church and anti-scripture all together.
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Old 08-20-2008, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Southern Ca
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how ever you want it to fit your needs.....

Jesus quoted scripture....in what world was he everanti scripture????

I am not disputing women teaching the Word of God.

SCRIPTURE states a woman not to have authority over a man in this regard....

you cant change that the WORD of GOD is TRUTH.....
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Old 08-20-2008, 04:58 PM
 
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SCRIPTURE IN QUESTION:
1 TIMOTHY 2:10, 11, 12: But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."



As extensive as my research has been on this, I must admit to you that one's interpretation of this scripture should have many elements of consideration. I'll let you in on what I have uncovered.

1) many pastors/ministers believe that this verse is to be translated literally, and that women should not reside as pastors or teachers
2) many pastors/ministers believe this is not at all what the scripture is saying. They believe women leadership is allowed.

What I've found from scripture and word analysis:

1) 1 Tim 2:11 (Let women learn in silence) The greek word/term "silence" can, and is, also interpreted as "peaceful", "peaceable", so note that women should remain peaceful, or atleast, those professing Godliness (v.10) Note 2 Thessalonians 3:13, where the 'busybodies' are instructed to do their work in 'silence' (same rendition of word 'silence' in 1 Tim 2:11)

*Also note, women were causing disruption (loud and aggressive) in the church of Ephesus, and many were dressing and conducting themselves as prostitutes. Note who Paul is addressing here, and note cultural background of the time*

2) Note that when scripture tells women to learn in submissiveness, it is my belief, as stated by other ministers of the Gospel, that it does not mean that they are always only to be learning, but that when they are learning, they must do so this way, with submissiveness.

3) In Acts, Paul's fellow worker Priscilla (Aquila's wife) taught Apollos, (of course, with the help of her husband). (Incidentally, Melissa Scott teaches just as her husband did, so one might say, she learned from him on how to teach, but I digress...)

4) Women did teach (See Titus).

5) If a modern day woman is to teach in a church setting, and men choose to attend to learn about the Gospel, is it not the man who chooses to be taught by the woman? Does this place the woman in a position of 'authority' over the man, if the man makes the decision to be taught by her? Notice that the scripture does not say that Priscilla was not allowed to teach Apollos because she was a woman. She also taught him. However, to be fair, Paul is, in fact, in 1 Timothy, addressing women in a church setting, he is not addressing a 2 on 1 husband and wife tent setting.

6) Romans 16:1, "I commend (synistemi= "commend" in Greek, which means 1- to place together, to set in the same place, to bring or band together; 2- to set one with another) unto you Phoebe (also spelled 'Phebe') our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer (Strong's G4368, succourer: prostatis= a woman set over others, a female guardian, protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources) of many, and of myself also...."(Strong's G1249, servant= diakonos, which means one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister; a- the servent of a King; b- a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use) Note: I DO NOT believe they were referring to Phoebe as a 'deacon, in the sense of being a teacher over all. HOWEVER, 1 Tim 4:6 uses the word Strong's G1249, diakonos, for MINISTER, is also used in direct relation of being a minister of God/Jesus, a minister of the church, in general, throughout the scriptures.


The bottom line, as I see here, is the context of 1 Tim 2:12; Note that Paul forbids for a woman to teach OVER A MAN, ("usurp authority over": Strong's G831 says "to govern, exercise dominion over one) or to have AUTHORITY OVER A MAN. In what context does this mean? Just what it says, I believe.... a woman who willfully enters into a situation where a man is present/in authority, and she willfully attempts to take authority over the man, or speak over the man, or teach over the man. However, if she is appointed BY a man, or enters into the head position and is not claiming authority OVER A MAN, then I believe she is well within her rights to minister to a congregation.


- And yes, by the way, I am a woman, and I am comfortable watching, and learning from, Melissa Scott.
I don't think your argument holds water.

Actually, Paul uses the same word, 'diakonos,' when he's outlining the two church offices, deacon and bishop in Timothy 2. Further, Paul asks the Romans to do what she requires of them. Now if Paul were really asking Phoebe to be subservient, then why would he be so imprecise in his language? What's more, why would he devote so much time in a letter to the congregation in the world's most important city to introduce a mere woman without any authority?
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Old 08-20-2008, 06:08 PM
 
Location: In a room above Mr. Charrington's shop
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Jesus quoted scripture....in what world was he everanti scripture????
Well for one, in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said (paraphrasing): you've heard it stated in scripture [many things referring to what we now call the Old Testament], but I say to you this, [expanding/extending/eclipsing the original concepts].

More generally, Jesus came to free us from doctrine, clergy, icons and anything else that distracts us from a direct connection with God. "God and ... Heaven are WITHIN you," it says many times in the New Testament. Jesus said over and over, "YOUR faith has healed you ... saved you. I have done nothing. Now go in peace." Not making this up. It's in the Bible.

But I digress. Back to women and their "place" as subservient to men with regards to the Word of God. Jesus also said in the Sermon on the Mount that we can learn about God from the sparrows and tiniest of God's creatures. So if we can learn about God from them, why not women?

Last edited by Winston Smith; 08-20-2008 at 06:19 PM.. Reason: ETA sparrows
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:25 PM
 
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Default Regarding Melissa Scott

Thank you ChaplainBubba for your words regarding Melissa Scott.
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Old 11-07-2008, 05:50 AM
 
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Default Listen to Pastor Scott, really listen!

I've just begun listening to Pastor Melissa Scott, and it feels like I'm finally being fed real food after starving for so long. She has already answered so any questions I've had, and clarified so many confusing things about the bible, I simply have to consider her as my teacher. I'm tithing to her ministry because, as she says, "you pay where you eat", and she doesn't want anyone's money if they don't learn from her. I learn! I have to be especially attentive to her translations when she's working off the boards, but it all clarifies so many things, it's worth the effort of paying close attention. I've searched for 45 years for such an excellent teacher; now that I've found her, I want to learn all I can.

As for those who would criticize her for any transgressions in her past, or for being a female Christian teacher; who are you to judge her? God said we are not to judge anyone "lest you be judged". Do you really think you want to stand in front of God and explain why your judgment of this excellent teacher is better than His? Are you so perfect that you will somehow be commended for passing judgment? I'm certainly not, and I won't be foolish enough to say I am.
Just listen to her messages, take the wonderful Truths she's teaching and live them! If the judgmental ones will do that, actually LIVE THE TRUTH Pastor Scott teaches, they won't have any judgments of her in them.

God bless this wonderful teacher for broadcasting the Word we all need. I wish I knew as much about the bible, and about being close to God as she does, I really do. But since I don't, I'm more than willing to listen and learn!

Thank you for hearing me out. I won't be back on this forum because I cannot read more negativity on someone who is doing God's work--and the negativity comes from some who very obviously are not.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:38 PM
 
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I don't know if she's a fraud or not. Her past is meaningless to me. If her past were her present, I'd have a hard time associating, but it isn't. If she is a fraud, though, then God will deal with it. If she preaches truth, then there are many who will hear it and be saved. That in itself is pretty awesome. Kind of the whole "God making good things from bad situations" kind of thing, isn't it?
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Old 02-20-2009, 08:25 PM
 
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Could someone please let me know when pastor Melissa Scott is on the air in Rochester, New York? Thank you, Marie
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