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The Lord Jesus Christ will make it clear in the day of Judgment that He never Loved all mankind, meaning those going into everlasting perdition, for He shall say unto them Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He states quite clearly to these people that He never knew them, for that cannot be said of any He Loved, these are the rejected and unloved reprobated of the world, the esau's of the world, the people of His indignation forever Malachi 1 :4, made they were for damnation, appointed to it before the foundation of the world, so He shall also say unto them Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Cursed because they were never Chosen or Loved by the Father, sothey were cursed from the beginning; The fact that the cursed and damned were never Loved by God is indisputable by the fact that those He did Love, He chose them for Salvation from the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Now if those chosen for salvation are so chosen from the foundation of the world, then those cursed going into perdition were also chosen and appointed for perdition, condemnation, damnation from the foundation Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
This teaching makes it clear that God could not have Loved all mankind without exception as the false teachers proclaim by corrupting and usurping Jn 3:16 ; for when Christ, God Man, states that He never knew the condemned, that is what He meant, He never knew them as His Own Sheep Jn 10:4,14-15
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Those He knew and laid down His Life in behalf of, He Loved Eph 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Cp Jn 10:15 !
Those He does not know nor Love, and never knew He casts them into Hell !
The Lord Jesus Christ will make it clear in the day of Judgment that He never Loved all mankind, meaning those going into everlasting perdition, for He shall say unto them Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He states quite clearly to these people that He never knew them, for that cannot be said of any He Loved, these are the rejected and unloved reprobated of the world, the esau's of the world, the people of His indignation forever Malachi 1 :4, made they were for damnation, appointed to it before the foundation of the world, so He shall also say unto them Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Cursed because they were never Chosen or Loved by the Father, sothey were cursed from the beginning; The fact that the cursed and damned were never Loved by God is indisputable by the fact that those He did Love, He chose them for Salvation from the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Now if those chosen for salvation are so chosen from the foundation of the world, then those cursed going into perdition were also chosen and appointed for perdition, condemnation, damnation from the foundation Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
This teaching makes it clear that God could not have Loved all mankind without exception as the false teachers proclaim by corrupting and usurping Jn 3:16 ; for when Christ, God Man, states that He never knew the condemned, that is what He meant, He never knew them as His Own Sheep Jn 10:4,14-15
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Those He knew and laid down His Life in behalf of, He Loved Eph 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Cp Jn 10:15 !
Those He does not know nor Love, and never knew He casts them into Hell !
Jesus isnt-God man. He is Gods son--Gods power went through him. Acts 2:22
We know God does not Love all men without exception, because all for whom God Loves He quickens them from a dead state of sin ! Eph 2:4-6
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
If He Loved us, He quickened us together with Christ !
In other words, God does not merely just Love in word, but also in deed, in action, in application !
He even tells His children the same 1 Jn 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
God Illustrates His Love for His sin misery and helpless people here Ezk 16:5-6
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.
That word live in Vs 6 corresponds with making alive in Eph 2:5
Its the hebrew word chayah and means:
I.to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life, live prosperously, live for ever, be quickened, be alive, be restored to life or health
And the word quickened in Eph 2:5 which follows His Love is syzōopoieō which means:
I.to make one alive together
I.
to produce alive, begat or bear living young
II.
to cause to live, make alive, give life
A.
by spiritual power to arouse and invigorate
B.
to restore to life
C.
to give increase of life: thus of physical life
D.
of the spirit, quickening as respects the spirit, endued with new and greater powers of life
See God must give all for whom Christ died new Life out of the dead because Christ has taken away the penalty of their sins, which is death, so He must say to them out of the provision of His Love, Christ, Live ! And this Living is Everlasting Life !
Emphasis on the greek definite article describing the Love of God, denoting God's One and Only love being that which is through the Mediation of Christ.
For an Holy God could not have Loved sinners just for the sake of them being evil sinners in themselves, for in such a case they are unholy rejected reprobates, and objects of His hatered, hence Rom 9:13
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
And of course Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
These are sinners outside of Christ Jesus the Mediator where Gods Love centers Rom 8:37, sinners that Jesus never knew Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now understand, in order to have been objects of God's Love in Christ Jesus, in some real sense we had to be united to Him, which comes from being Chosen in Him in Love Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
The same so loved of Jn 3:16 !
Now sinners outside of Christ, those He will say to " I never knew you" Matt 7:23, therefore God could not have Loved, but did hate as esau and the workers of iniquity, God hated them from before the foundation, even from everlasting, just as He Loved the Elect, He chose in Christ, from before the foundation, and from everlasting Jn 17:23-24 ; Jer 31:3
And unto them the hated, He had predetermined not to have mercy on them [salvation mercy] in reference to Eternal Life Jude 1:21
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Hence they never had part of being of those which are called Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
And this by Eternal Divine predetermination to be exempt from His Love and Mercy found only in Election in Christ !
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
This is a benefit bestowed upon those God so Loves freely like Jn 3:16, That He heals their backsliding. Now the word backsliding is the hebrew word mĕshuwbah and means:
I.turning away, turning back, apostasy, backsliding. Its also rendered faithlessness
Jer 3:22
"Return, O faithless sons, I will heal your faithlessness." "Behold, we come to You; For You are the LORD our God. NAS
Apostacy is related to turning from the Faith, a departure as here 1 Tim 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
That word depart means:
C.to fall away, become faithless
Now God, unto them He Loves Freely hath promised to heal their backsliding and or faithlessness !
The word heal Hos 14:4
I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Its the same word found here Isa 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Which we know Peter applies to the Cross of Christ 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Healed from what ? From our backsliding and departure from God, from our faithlessness ! Now this healing is attributed to the Death of Christ, His stripes ! Hos 14:4 is looking to the days of Christ, and His finished work for God's Elect People.
This is a Promise Blessing upon all whom God so freely Loved in Christ. Now are all men without exception healed of faithlessness, and backsliding ? The answer is an obvious No ! The backsliding of the Elect of God began in Adam, their Natural Head Created in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26 !
Those God Loves He heals their backsliding ways ! 2
Hosea 14:4
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Now Listen, all whom God so Loved freely, and Gave His Son for Jn 3:16, by His giving Him, and the satisfaction that His Life and death provided to His Law and Justice for them, satisfying God's Justice for every sin they committed or will commit, hence God's anger is turned away from them, He has for them been propitiated 1 Jn 2:2 ; 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
That forms the basis and principle for which God heals their backsliding, and such healing gives them Faith and steadfastness, for that is the opposite of backsliding !
So its impossible for One God Loves to remain faithless, Christ has for them turned away all of God's anger and wrath from them, He has appeased Him for them, now Justice demands the healing to take place ! If healing does not take place, there is a miscarriage of Justice on God's Part as it pertains to Christ having already satisfied His Justice for their sins, nothing now blocks the flood gate of Spiritual Blessings being bestowed upon them Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Yes those spiritual blessings heals our backslidings !
God's Love in Jn 3:16 is consisten with His Love in the purpose of Election, for this purpose is revealed in Rom 9:11-13
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
This Illustrates that within the Purpose of Election, God does not Love all mankind without exception, but only a special portion of it !
Now this revelation of God's Love to the natural man is that it makes God seem unrighteous, or unfair, unjust, so Paul anticipating that thought says in Rom 9:14
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
14 What shall we conclude then? Is there injustice upon God’s part? Certainly not!AMP
14 So what are we going to say? Isn’t this unfair on God’s part? Absolutely not! CEB
14 So are we to say, “It is unjust for God to do this”? Heaven forbid!
Thats the natural mans respond to the Biblical Truth of Gods Love, that it is indeed discriminatory, and it is not based upon physical descent, hence the distinction between Two of Isaac's physical sons, both from the same Mother Rebekah !
Only Jacob has God Loved, as demonstrated in expounding on God's Purpose of Election Rom 9:11
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
Also, God has set His Love upon His Chosen here Deut 7:6-8
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
This Love of God for His Chosen here is grounded in His Purpose of Election, which is in Christ before the foundation, In Love Eph 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
See, most people are deceived into thinking that the Chosen in Deut 7:6-8 are the physical seed of Abraham, national Israel, but sorry its not, only a remnant of them was Loved and Chosen, Pauls point here Rom 11:7
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
The rest of physical and national israel was blinded because it had no part in God's Election, only the Election did , which obviously was different from the rest of the nation !
And those God so Loved [ Jn 3:16], His Chosen [Eph 1:4], He so Loved them from Everlasting, and with Lovingkindness He draws them Jer 31:3
3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
And the result of His Lovingkindness drawing them, they shall put their Trust in Him as per Ps 36:7
7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
Dr Gill comments on this verse :
How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God,.... Which has appeared to men and not angels, to some and not others; to the chief of sinners, who are by nature children of wrath as others; in choosing, redeeming, and calling them, taking them into his family, and making them heirs of eternal glory; and all this of his sovereign good will and pleasure, there being nothing in them that could move him to it; which lovingkindness was in his heart from everlasting, and will never change in him, nor depart from them; and hence it must be most excellent and precious:
therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings; not all men; for all have not faith, only some, to whom it is given to believe, and who know the Lord and his lovingkindness; by which they are induced and encouraged to trust in him, to betake themselves to him for mercy and protection, which they find in him: the allusion is either to the hen that gathers her chickens under her wings, and protects them in time of danger, and so it expresses both the paternal affection of God to his people, and the protection of them; or else to the wings of the cherubim over the mercy seat, between which the Lord sat and communed with his people, and showed mercy and favour to them, which encouraged them to trust in him.
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Thats why its ensured that some amongst mankind shall Trust in Him Rom 15:12
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Heb 2:13
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
The Children here are therefore the Children of men here Ps 36:7
7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.
Thats the World of Jn 3:16, those who Believe on or Trust in Christ !
Those God Loves He heals their backsliding ways ! 2
Hosea 14:4
4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Now Listen, all whom God so Loved freely, and Gave His Son for Jn 3:16, by His giving Him, and the satisfaction that His Life and death provided to His Law and Justice for them, satisfying God's Justice for every sin they committed or will commit, hence God's anger is turned away from them, He has for them been propitiated 1 Jn 2:2 ; 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
That forms the basis and principle for which God heals their backsliding, and such healing gives them Faith and steadfastness, for that is the opposite of backsliding !
So its impossible for One God Loves to remain faithless, Christ has for them turned away all of God's anger and wrath from them, He has appeased Him for them, now Justice demands the healing to take place ! If healing does not take place, there is a miscarriage of Justice on God's Part as it pertains to Christ having already satisfied His Justice for their sins, nothing now blocks the flood gate of Spiritual Blessings being bestowed upon them Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Yes those spiritual blessings heals our backslidings !
The arrogance of these posts of yours, depicting yourself to be one of the chosen over the misfortune of others not being, for no other reason than God loved a few but hated many, is staggering.
The arrogance of these posts of yours, depicting yourself to be one of the chosen over the misfortune of others not being, for no other reason than God loved a few but hated many, is staggering.
Those God Loves He heals their backsliding ways ! 2 Did you read to understand ?
A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), i.e. a relation of rest (intermediate between
This denotes Union with, or Union with Christ ! Its no escaping the conclusion when scripture is compared with scripture, that the World So Loved in Jn 3:16 had to be a World in Union with Jesus Christ since we learn that God's Love in Christ Jesus is exclusive, in that it is termed " The Love of God in Christ Jesus Our Lord"
That world therefore would be the World of His Chosein in Christ the Beloved Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats the Love of God in Christ !
Thats the World of Jn 3:16 !
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