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It is not up to you, or the Catholic Church to decide for others or make those decisions.
I don't claim the right to make decisions for others. However, if someone such as the OP asks others about their opinions regarding the morality of certain things, certainly I have a right to offer up mine.
Similarly, the Catholic Church has a right to disseminate its teachings to its members and the public at large. What you do with that is up to you.
I'm still waiting for you to actually counter the Church's arguments with better ones of your own though. All you seem to want to do is issue disclaimers and express your opinions that don't really seem to be based on any kind of higher authority, but merely on your own subjective preferences.
Christianity > How does God feel about using egg/sperm donation/surrogacy to have a child?
It depends on when God implants the seed of His Spirit. No one knows that answer but far too many think they do. Given the scriptural description of God breathing it into Adam AFTER he was made presumably when He had a brain to implant it in, it would be logical to assume that God breathes His Spirit into babies AFTER they are born with a fully developed brain.
This view would suggest that there are no moral issues whatsoever with the procedures you suggest from a theological perspective. But there are many, many, many who would disagree vehemently. But if this view is correct, then the quickening in the womb is merely preparing a living vessel to receive the seed of God's Spirit.
What we know of consciousness (spirit) is that a newborn does not have it until several weeks AFTER it is removed from the womb (time for God's Spirit seed to germinate???). This view is at least logically consistent with the evidence we do have about the emergence of human consciousness (spirit). However, I suspect we will all continue to have our own preferred beliefs about this emotional issue.
That depends on whether or not, you believe God exists, however it is not the Worldly Churches of man that are divine. Your article stated that the "Church once more puts forward the divine law in order to accomplish the work of truth and liberation," yet it holds people in bondage to the views of certain men. And, I do not believe that the Pope is the one who possesses the power to decide for others.
Neither is everything regarding love, intimacy and procreation about a sexual act of spreading her legs, nor is it a divine mandate for having a child. That's why I had mentioned adoption in a previous post. Although, one should be aware of the risks of artificial insemination - it still does not make a child, less of a child for those who are having a difficult time conceiving. Personally, I do not find it immoral, anymore than wearing a condom - because you do not desire having a child at a particular moment in time. And some have chosen not to conceive or have children as well.
It is not up to you, or the Catholic Church to decide for others or make those decisions.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
I don't claim the right to make decisions for others. However, if someone such as the OP asks others about their opinions regarding the morality of certain things, certainly I have a right to offer up mine.
Similarly, the Catholic Church has a right to disseminate its teachings to its members and the public at large. What you do with that is up to you.
I'm still waiting for you to actually counter the Church's arguments with better ones of your own though. All you seem to want to do is issue disclaimers and express your opinions that don't really seem to be based on any kind of higher authority, but merely on your own subjective preferences.
The Church is not the higher authority for mankind, although you most certainly can offer up your religious views; and subjective opinions based on your particular beliefs. I never said otherwise.
All Scripture is God-breathed. He's told us what he wants.
That view of scripture is a spiritual dinosaur and should have gone extinct centuries ago. Inspiration is not dictation and it is dependent on the accuracy of the receivers' knowledge and understanding of God, which our ancestors did NOT have.
The Church is not the higher authority for mankind, although you most certainly can offer up your religious views; and subjective opinions based on your particular beliefs.
Is there a higher authority for mankind? What/who is it?
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I never said otherwise.
No, technically you haven't. But it seems like every time I offer up the Church's teaching on a topic, you're there to offer up some type of disclaimer. I think that it goes without saying that everyone is free to evaluate the Church's teachings on their own merit and either take it or leave it.
The stance of the Catholic Church on any given topic is a legitimate contribution to any thread in the Christianity forum, considering that the Catholic Church represents mainstream Christianity throughout the ages and even today is the largest Christian society in the world.
Is there a higher authority for mankind? What/who is it?
No, technically you haven't. But it seems like every time I offer up the Church's teaching on a topic, you're there to offer up some type of disclaimer. I think that it goes without saying that everyone is free to evaluate the Church's teachings on their own merit and either take it or leave it.
The stance of the Catholic Church on any given topic is a legitimate contribution to any thread in the Christianity forum, considering that the Catholic Church represents mainstream Christianity throughout the ages and even today is the largest Christian society in the world.
Jesus Christ, as He revealed the "mind of Christ" on the Cross and by His actions while alive, is the higher authority, no human surrogates or their interpretations. The Catholic Church carries the biggest burden for the failure to discover the "spiritual solid food" within the carnal misrepresentations of our ancestors who needed to be fed "carnal milk." The obvious contradiction between Christ's actions and attitude on the Cross and our primitive ancestors' beliefs about a wrathful and vengeful God should have been detected and responded to long before my efforts.
The Church and their theologians stagnated the precepts and doctrines at the "carnal milk" level and treated as heresy any interpretations that sought to provide a different spiritual understanding of Christ and God. This prevented even the possibility of any rigorous efforts to discover the "s[ritual solid food" in the scriptures. Their performance as stewards of Christ's Gospel has been egregious and irresponsible in the extreme, IMO.
It depends on when God implants the seed of His Spirit. No one knows that answer but far too many think they do. Given the scriptural description of God breathing it into Adam AFTER he was made presumably when He had a brain to implant it in, it would be logical to assume that God breathes His Spirit into babies AFTER they are born with a fully developed brain.
This view would suggest that there are no moral issues whatsoever with the procedures you suggest from a theological perspective. But there are many, many, many who would disagree vehemently. But if this view is correct, then the quickening in the womb is merely preparing a living vessel to receive the seed of God's Spirit.
What we know of consciousness (spirit) is that a newborn does not have it until several weeks AFTER it is removed from the womb (time for God's Spirit seed to germinate???). This view is at least logically consistent with the evidence we do have about the emergence of human consciousness (spirit). However, I suspect we will all continue to have our own preferred beliefs about this emotional issue.
Actually Mystic, scripture itself reveals a substantially clearer account:
John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit on coming into the presence of Jesus, WHILE BOTH WERE ACTUALLY IN-UTERO!
Luke 1:15 + Luke 1:41+44
It depends on when God implants the seed of His Spirit. No one knows that answer but far too many think they do. Given the scriptural description of God breathing it into Adam AFTER he was made presumably when He had a brain to implant it in, it would be logical to assume that God breathes His Spirit into babies AFTER they are born with a fully developed brain.
This view would suggest that there are no moral issues whatsoever with the procedures you suggest from a theological perspective. But there are many, many, many who would disagree vehemently. But if this view is correct, then the quickening in the womb is merely preparing a living vessel to receive the seed of God's Spirit.
What we know of consciousness (spirit) is that a newborn does not have it until several weeks AFTER it is removed from the womb (time for God's Spirit seed to germinate???). This view is at least logically consistent with the evidence we do have about the emergence of human consciousness (spirit). However, I suspect we will all continue to have our own preferred beliefs about this emotional issue.
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Originally Posted by CCCyou
Actually Mystic, scripture itself reveals a substantially clearer account:
John the Baptist received the Holy Spirit on coming into the presence of Jesus, WHILE BOTH WERE ACTUALLY IN-UTERO!
Luke 1:15 + Luke 1:41+44
As I said, we will all prefer our beliefs about this emotional issue. I interpret Luke differently because babies kick in the womb all the time as the pregnancy nears term and it only specifically refers to Elisabeth receiving the Holy Spirit. To each his own, CCyou!
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Christianity > How does God feel about using egg/sperm donation/surrogacy to have a child?
