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The question is the question above in the title. Or is it about apostasy?
Hebrews 10:26 is not saying that willful sin can't be forgiven. It is simply restating what was previously said in 10:18 in a different way. In 10:18 the writer of Hebrews states that where there is forgiveness of these things there is no longer any offering for sin. Why is there no longer any offering for sin? Because the one offering of Christ on the cross took care of the sin problem once and for all. Hebrews 10:10 states that we (believers) have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ once for all. This is positional sanctification having to do with our position in Christ. We can't lose that positional sanctification. We can't lose our position in Christ. Experiential sanctification is a different matter having to do with our spiritual growth in time as believers. But positional sanctification is permanent.
Going back to 10:26 and then to verse 27 and following, it is talking about divine discipline in time for the believer. It is not referring to eternal punishment in the lake of fire. Take a look at Hebrews 12:4-11 which makes it clear that divine judgment for the believer in time is in view rather than eternal punishment. You have to read all of this in context rather than taking one particular verse and making a doctrine out of it.
All sin . . . every sin that the believer can commit can and is forgiven when he simply confesses that sin to God the Father as per 1 John 1:9.
Now, if the believer insists on continuing to commit some sin, or better stated, to live in sin and isn't repentant about it he can come under severe divine discipline as in 10:27-29 but that discipline is for the purpose of correction as stated in 12:4-11.
Hebrews 10:26 is not saying that willful sin can't be forgiven. It is simply restating what was previously said in 10:18 in a different way. In 10:18 the writer of Hebrews states that where there is forgiveness of these things there is no longer any offering for sin. Why is there no longer any offering for sin? Because the one offering of Christ on the cross took care of the sin problem once and for all. Hebrews 10:10 states that we (believers) have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ once for all. This is positional sanctification having to do with our position in Christ. We can't lose that positional sanctification. We can't lose our position in Christ. Experiential sanctification is a different matter having to do with our spiritual growth in time as believers. But positional sanctification is permanent.
Going back to 10:26 and then to verse 27 and following, it is talking about divine discipline in time for the believer. It is not referring to eternal punishment in the lake of fire. Take a look at Hebrews 12:4-11 which makes it clear that divine judgment for the believer in time is in view rather than eternal punishment. You have to read all of this in context rather than taking one particular verse and making a doctrine out of it.
All sin . . . every sin that the believer can commit can and is forgiven when he simply confesses that sin to God the Father as per 1 John 1:9.
Now, if the believer insists on continuing to commit some sin, or better stated, to live in sin and isn't repentant about it he can come under severe divine discipline as in 10:27-29 but that discipline is for the purpose of correction as stated in 12:4-11.
If only you realized that this is true for ALL and the severity of the discipline is EXACTLY equal to what they sowed, Michael. There is no ETERNAL discipline or punishment.
If only you realized that this is true for ALL and the severity of the discipline is EXACTLY equal to what they sowed, Michael. There is no ETERNAL discipline or punishment.
I do not believe in the concept of Universalism, and don't imagine that I ever will. But let's not take the thread off topic.
If only you realized that this is true for ALL and the severity of the discipline is EXACTLY equal to what they sowed, Michael. There is no ETERNAL discipline or punishment.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
I do not believe in the concept of Universalism, and don't imagine that I ever will. But let's not take the thread off topic.
Yep
Universalism can be very lopsided when it doesn’t take into account layering/timing/purpose/relationships/context etc
Hebrews 10:26 is not saying that willful sin can't be forgiven. It is simply restating what was previously said in 10:18 in a different way. In 10:18 the writer of Hebrews states that where there is forgiveness of these things there is no longer any offering for sin. Why is there no longer any offering for sin? Because the one offering of Christ on the cross took care of the sin problem once and for all. Hebrews 10:10 states that we (believers) have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ once for all. This is positional sanctification having to do with our position in Christ. We can't lose that positional sanctification. We can't lose our position in Christ. Experiential sanctification is a different matter having to do with our spiritual growth in time as believers. But positional sanctification is permanent.
Going back to 10:26 and then to verse 27 and following, it is talking about divine discipline in time for the believer. It is not referring to eternal punishment in the lake of fire. Take a look at Hebrews 12:4-11 which makes it clear that divine judgment for the believer in time is in view rather than eternal punishment. You have to read all of this in context rather than taking one particular verse and making a doctrine out of it.
All sin . . . every sin that the believer can commit can and is forgiven when he simply confesses that sin to God the Father as per 1 John 1:9.
Now, if the believer insists on continuing to commit some sin, or better stated, to live in sin and isn't repentant about it he can come under severe divine discipline as in 10:27-29 but that discipline is for the purpose of correction as stated in 12:4-11.
okay. may i ask do you believe in once saved always saved? personally i do not. do you think apostasy is possible for a true believer to commit?
okay. may i ask do you believe in once saved always saved? personally i do not. do you think apostasy is possible for a true believer to commit?
Yes, I believe that once a person is saved he cannot lose his salvation for any reason. And yes, I believe that a believer can become apostate though that does not affect his eternal relationship with God in that he is still eternally saved.
Yes, I believe that once a person is saved he cannot lose his salvation for any reason. And yes, I believe that a believer can become apostate though that does not affect his eternal relationship with God in that he is still eternally saved.
The question is the question above in the title. Or is it about apostasy?
There is a difference between: wilful, premeditated, on-purpose, deliberate, intentional sin or sin by accident/mistake.
The un-forgivable sin of Matthew 12:32 is never forgiven.
We need to ' repent ' so as Not to ' perish ' (<-meaning be destroyed ) - 2nd Peter 3:9; Psalms 92:7; 104:35
Yes, I believe that once a person is saved he cannot lose his salvation for any reason.......
I find Jesus taught at Matthew 24:13 in order to be saved one must endure to the end.
So, either endure faithful to death, or be found faithful at Jesus' coming Glory Time of Matthew 25:31-33,37.
Even the apostle Paul was concerned about becoming a castaway at 1st Corinthians 9:27.
Beware that the one standing does Not fall found at 1st Corinthians 10:12 .
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If only you realized that this is true for ALL and the severity of the discipline is EXACTLY equal to what they sowed, Michael. There is no ETERNAL discipline or punishment.
