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Old 11-29-2021, 07:29 PM
 
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Given the things Jesus said in the Gospels, specifically the verse I quoted above; don't you think the motivations of Person A and Person B ought to be taken into account?

I will agree that if Person B operates on the motivation of genuinely seeking truth and seeking to understand how the world God made works, then there's obviously nothing wrong with scientific inquiry. However, forgive me for being a bit skeptical as to Person B's motives.

I would contend that it's better to have the childlike trusting disposition of Person A, even if it ultimately turns out to be incorrect. It is not a matter of salvific importance. It's more advantageous to one's salvation to be humble and trusting. Better to be wrong and end up in heaven than right and end up in hell.
First, you are attempting to alter the rules when you claim to understand the motives of Person B and look at them skeptically. On what basis? Simply because he made a choice yoiu might now make?

Second, what if Persons A and B are being taught that Allah is the proper God and Islam is the proper path?Or that Wicca is the proper faith? Still think this should be taken without skepticism and blindly accepted with childlike faith?
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:07 PM
 
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Is your preconceived bias influencing your statement?

Let's deconstruct, OK?

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation ... giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh...." Jude 6-7

Sounds like they liked to "party", no?

What about:

"And there came two angels to Sodom. ... And they turned in unto him, and entered into his house. ... The men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. -- Genesis 19:1-4

What does Lot do? Offers them his virgin daughters. The angels wanted to "know" men in response.

But you say, angels don't have sex with humans.

Oh, and let's not forget:

"The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. ... The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. -- "Genesis 6:2, 4
The angels that kept their first estate did not have sex with humans. Not sure why you think there is a contradiction. The angels did not want to have sex with the men of Sodom. It was the other way around.
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Old 11-29-2021, 11:25 PM
 
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The angels that kept their first estate did not have sex with humans. Not sure why you think there is a contradiction. The angels did not want to have sex with the men of Sodom. It was the other way around.
Jude states they, mean angels, went after strange flesh. You can't deny that.
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Old 11-30-2021, 05:26 AM
 
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Jude states they, mean angels, went after strange flesh. You can't deny that.
Isn't it obvious that the angels to whom Jude is referring who did not keep their first estate are not the "angels which are in heaven" that Jesus referred to? Jude describes the judgment of those angels who did not keep their first estate.
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Old 11-30-2021, 05:52 AM
 
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How does this sidebar answer my questions?

What is your question Dude?
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Old 11-30-2021, 05:53 AM
 
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Tell him that you had pizza in the sixth grade…

Wow! So did I Rick, bet you did as well.
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Old 11-30-2021, 06:54 AM
 
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What is your question Dude?
The question has already been asked . Evidently you didn’t feel capable of answering
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Old 11-30-2021, 11:25 AM
 
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Isn't it obvious that the angels to whom Jude is referring who did not keep their first estate are not the "angels which are in heaven" that Jesus referred to? Jude describes the judgment of those angels who did not keep their first estate.
They were angels. They had sex. Period.
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Old 11-30-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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They were angels. They had sex. Period.
But that doesn't prove your claim of a contradiction.
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Old 11-30-2021, 07:34 PM
 
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But that doesn't prove your claim of a contradiction.
Not according to Mark 12:25.
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