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Old 11-27-2021, 10:46 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Well, no one was there 11,550 years ago to observe the end of the Ice Age. What you've quoted here is just pure fiction. Pure story-telling, based on the "best guesses" of secularists who exclude God and the Bible a priori. And the Ice Age lasted no more than a few hundred years.
Modern humans as in Homo Sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years. So yes, people were around during the last ice-age.

News flash, many, many, many scientists are believers, not secularists who exclude God and the Bible. The biblical creation and flood stories are doing the story telling, not scientists.

The last ice age lasted for millions of years, not a few hundred. You make claims that have no basis in fact and which are based strictly on your belief that the biblical creation and flood stories are literal and historical. They are not.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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Modern humans as in Homo Sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years. So yes, people were around during the last ice-age.

News flash, many, many, many scientists are believers, not secularists who exclude God and the Bible. The biblical creation and flood stories are doing the story telling, not scientists.

The last ice age lasted for millions of years, not a few hundred. You make claims that have no basis in fact and which are based strictly on your belief that the biblical creation and flood stories are literal and historical. They are not.
There are no accounts from anyone who supposedly lived that long ago, of course (no one did, as the earth is roughly 6000 years old), so my statement that this is based on guesswork stands. There's no evidence whatsoever for this "millions of years" garbage, or this notion that "homo sapiens" have been around for 200k years. It is really a shame to reject the history given by the Bible for the unsubstantiated guesswork of secularists. I don't care that there are scientists who are allegedly believers who subscribe to this millions of years nonsense. They're piggybacking off the paradigms of secular "science," which is not science at all, as are the serious, testable sciences such as chemistry and physics. Biology is a serious science insofar as it describes things such as the structures and functions of living systems. That's all objective, empirical science pertaining to God's marvelous designs, unlike the claim of 200k years of "homo sapiens" and millions of years of ice ages, etc.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:05 AM
 
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The Bible is evidence.
The bible is the claim, not the proof.

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Having said that, the Grand Canyon is one example of something that could be formed by massive amounts of water. That's just one, off the top of my head. But do your own research. AIG is a great place to start.
AIG (nor you) can never explain that fossils of an older era are always in strata they expected to be, and never in strata of younger fossils. As example, rabbit fossils are never found in strata older than dinosaurs.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:13 AM
 
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The bible is the claim, not the proof.
No, the Bible is the proof. It wasn't written by a single man, or at a single time. There's so much internal consistency in the Bible, and it frankly speaks for itself that it's inspired by God. We can see Christ throughout the Bible, as all the Scripture points to Him. We can see Christ in biblical accounts such as Adam and Eve in the garden, Cain and Abel, Abraham and Isaac. Moreover, Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies written well beforehand.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:14 AM
 
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There are no accounts from anyone who supposedly lived that long ago, of course (no one did, as the earth is roughly 6000 years old), so my statement that this is based on guesswork stands. There's no evidence whatsoever for this "millions of years" garbage, or this notion that "homo sapiens" have been around for 200k years. It is really a shame to reject the history given by the Bible for the unsubstantiated guesswork of secularists. I don't care that there are scientists who are allegedly believers who subscribe to this millions of years nonsense. They're piggybacking off the paradigms of secular "science," which is not science at all, as are the serious, testable sciences such as chemistry and physics. Biology is a serious science insofar as it describes things such as the structures and functions of living systems. That's all objective, empirical science pertaining to God's marvelous designs, unlike the claim of 200k years of "homo sapiens" and millions of years of ice ages, etc.
You’re not big on archeology , are you?

Yes, there is plenty of objective evidence . That you are unlearned in it does not mean it doesn’t exist.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:17 AM
 
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You’re not big on archeology , are you?

Yes, there is plenty of objective evidence . That you are unlearned in it does not mean it doesn’t exist.
Archeology is not an exact science as, for example, physics or chemistry are. There is no "objective evidence" for millions of years.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:23 AM
 
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No, the Bible is the proof. It wasn't written by a single man, or at a single time. There's so much internal consistency in the Bible, and it frankly speaks for itself that it's inspired by God. We can see Christ throughout the Bible, as all the Scripture points to Him. We can see Christ in biblical accounts such as Adam and Eve in the garden, Cain and Abel, Abraham and Isaac. Moreover, Jesus fulfilled numerous prophecies written well beforehand.
You have GOT to be kidding us. Which version of the "10 Commandments" do you subscribe to. Why are they different? Who bought the potter's field? Do angles have sex? Does god have a body (yes in the OT, no in the NT, and you need BOTH to be called "the bible"). Why did the prophecy of Tyre not happen?

I am only scratching the surface on inconsistencies.
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:47 AM
 
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There are no accounts from anyone who supposedly lived that long ago, of course (no one did, as the earth is roughly 6000 years old), so my statement that this is based on guesswork stands. There's no evidence whatsoever for this "millions of years" garbage, or this notion that "homo sapiens" have been around for 200k years. It is really a shame to reject the history given by the Bible for the unsubstantiated guesswork of secularists. I don't care that there are scientists who are allegedly believers who subscribe to this millions of years nonsense. They're piggybacking off the paradigms of secular "science," which is not science at all, as are the serious, testable sciences such as chemistry and physics. Biology is a serious science insofar as it describes things such as the structures and functions of living systems. That's all objective, empirical science pertaining to God's marvelous designs, unlike the claim of 200k years of "homo sapiens" and millions of years of ice ages, etc.
Your statement falls flat on its face. The belief that the earth is six thousand years old is idiotic as is your entire post. There is plenty of evidence that the ice-age began millions of years ago and ended some 11 thousand years ago. For one thing, the age of ice cores can be reliably dated by methods described in the following article.

How are ice cores dated? - AntarcticGlaciers.org

And guess what? Since you admitted that biology is a serious science and since the evidence for evolution includes Genome and DNA testing which is biological in nature you just admitted that biological evolution is a part of 'real' science. Genome sequencing proves human evolution and that Homo Sapiens have been around for some 200,000 years. And get this. The man who headed the human genome project - geneticist Francis Collins is also a Christian who believes in evolution. He also started the Christian website- Biologos.

https://biologos.org/

https://biologos.org/about-us
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Old 11-27-2021, 11:54 AM
 
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You have GOT to be kidding us. Which version of the "10 Commandments" do you subscribe to. Why are they different? Who bought the potter's field? Do angles have sex? Does god have a body (yes in the OT, no in the NT, and you need BOTH to be called "the bible"). Why did the prophecy of Tyre not happen?

I am only scratching the surface on inconsistencies.
consistencies - is not a very important feature of Gnostic type writings, maintaining gematria, for example. is more important matter as it is a part of meditation sequence recorded in Torah.
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Old 11-27-2021, 12:01 PM
 
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Archeology is not an exact science as, for example, physics or chemistry are. There is no "objective evidence" for millions of years.
Yes it is. Your claiming this because it comes to conclusions you do not like does not make it so . But it is a hard science that works on observation and testing . It is solid.

Does it ever occur to you that the EXACT sciences fundamentalists choose to claim isn’t real science are exactly those that make claims that contradict the Bible? No one questions physics, even though physics is harder and more complex than archeology. Fundamentalists dispute only that which comes to conclusions that conflict with their religious mythology . This shows that it is not the science that is wrong, but that you simply choose to question the legit science purely because it threatens your religious views . That’s not an objective basis for questioning it , that anything that conflicts with your Bronze Age mythology must be wrong . That’s just a decision to reject legitimate science because your religious beliefs are from a pre scientific time period .
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