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Old 12-09-2021, 01:08 PM
 
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I was talking with a friend who is a local pastor, he seems to think of the Barabbas story as a literal event (like many of his denomination do). He had an interesting point though, that even as a symbolic or allegorical story (which it certainly is), the fact that Jesus was chosen to be executed in place of an insurrectionist, condemned to die for murder, insurrection against Rome, robbery....sets Jesus (Innocence) up to replace Barabbas (Criminal) allowing for a complete transition of innocence from birth to death, a type of allegorical replacement of evil by good on all levels

now There is nothing accurate or factual about the Barabbas story. no texts in the Old Testament, Talmud, or any reported traditions of the Jewish people, by Jewish writers or Roman historians makes any mention of the act of pardoning a convicted criminal at Passover. If it did, it would likely pertain to only a Jewish tribal member sentence or under punishment from the Jewish leadership. Pilate, having pronounced Jesus Innocent, would have let him go then and there. End of story. Pilate lacked the authority to have anyone pardoned, especially someone convicted of insurrection.
Also, Barabbas would not be in prison awaiting crucifixion. Roman capital punishment was often carried out swiftly and immediately, like along the Appian way. And only Insurrectionists were crucified, not thieves, or robbers (Like the two that were crucified along side Jesus supposedly).

It would have been against Roman law to do anything but execute an insurrectionist such as Barabbas. Pilate would not have risked his own life to violate this law. And Pilate, as well as Herod, with their armies, would not have bowed to a small unarmed gathering of Jews. Being Passover time, it is unlikely that many would have been out anyway, as Passover rules would have had them at home with their families.

But, like most mythology, it has to make a great story in order to persevere. A good myth has a moral, symbolism, allegory, and one can look into it and draw various interpretations of it. Replacing the purest character with the worst character (One how came to bring life vs one who takes it) is but one of the allegorical symbols of the Barabbas myth.
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Old 12-09-2021, 02:36 PM
 
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I see no reason that we shouldn't believe the Gospels in regards to Barabbas. You cite lack of evidence? I refer to the Gospels. We have no need for further evidence. They are historical evidence.
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Old 12-09-2021, 04:00 PM
 
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Sound like the cuckoo bail reform of the justice system today, like the Scripture Isaiah 5;20 …``Woe to them that call evil good and good evil, that put darkness for light and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ``
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:08 AM
 
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I see no reason that we shouldn't believe the Gospels in regards to Barabbas. You cite lack of evidence? I refer to the Gospels. We have no need for further evidence. They are historical evidence.



Very good response BF.
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Old 12-10-2021, 07:07 AM
 
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I see no reason that we shouldn't believe the Gospels in regards to Barabbas. You cite lack of evidence? I refer to the Gospels. We have no need for further evidence. They are historical evidence.
Are you using the Gospels as evidence to prove the Gospels? Your last two sentences are opinions many do not share.
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Old 12-10-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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Whether one believes it to be mythology or historical fact, the symbolism within the story is indeed interesting and food for thought. Barabbas (bar-Abbas) means "son of the father", so there is also that parallel.
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Old 12-10-2021, 10:41 AM
 
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Whether one believes it to be mythology or historical fact, the symbolism within the story is indeed interesting and food for thought. Barabbas (bar-Abbas) means "son of the father", so there is also that parallel.
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Old 12-10-2021, 11:41 AM
 
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Are you using the Gospels as evidence to prove the Gospels? Your last two sentences are opinions many do not share.
Whether they agree with the facts or not, it's true. You likely use one text book to prove another. The Gospels are 4 different accounts.
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Old 12-10-2021, 11:43 AM
 
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I see no reason that we shouldn't believe the Gospels in regards to Barabbas. You cite lack of evidence? I refer to the Gospels. We have no need for further evidence. They are historical evidence.
How are they historical evidence?
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Old 12-10-2021, 11:49 AM
 
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How are they historical evidence?
They are first-hand narrative accounts. Or written by men that interviewed first-hand witnesses. They're every bit as historical as the book written today about something that happened in the year 2000.
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