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Old 06-16-2022, 08:35 PM
 
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Yes, that is the traditional Christian view.
When a person dies, they are immediately judged and their eternal destination is sealed.
There may be a ' traditional view ' but the Bible's hell (grave) comes to a final end - see Rev. 20:13-14
When a person dies they are immediately unconscious - Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
The dead 'sleep' til Resurrection Day (Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years)
Destination is Not sealed because they will be judged on what they do ' after ' they are resurrected - Acts 24:15
The righteous need to remain righteous and the un-righteous need to become righteous in God's eyes.
After everyone in biblical hell is ' delivered up ' (see Rev, 20:13-14) meaning resurrected out of the grave/hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.
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Old 06-16-2022, 08:46 PM
 
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Paul also didn't scream at them, like some idiot, that 99 out of 100 were going to eternally burn in hell.
Since biblical hell is temporary then there is No eternal hell - Rev. 20:13-14
Does anyone righteous go to hell _________
If biblical hell was permanent then Jesus would still be in hell - Acts 2:27.
Hell fire is a false clergy teaching.
When King James translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that is what helped put flames in death.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
So, it is logical that Scripture teaches the wicked are ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
Biblical hell/grave comes to final end according to Rev. 20:13-14.
Emptied-out hell ends up in that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell/grave.
In death there is No life, just unconsciousness - Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
Not being conscious until Resurrection Day (Acts 24:15) meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:18 PM
 
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Since biblical hell is temporary then there is No eternal hell - Rev. 20:13-14
Does anyone righteous go to hell _________
If biblical hell was permanent then Jesus would still be in hell - Acts 2:27.
Hell fire is a false clergy teaching.
When King James translated the word Gehenna into English as hell fire that is what helped put flames in death.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed.
So, it is logical that Scripture teaches the wicked are ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22.
Biblical hell/grave comes to final end according to Rev. 20:13-14.
Emptied-out hell ends up in that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell/grave.
In death there is No life, just unconsciousness - Psalm 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
Not being conscious until Resurrection Day (Acts 24:15) meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth.
If you only understood that it is the wickedness in you that is removed and destroyed, NOT you! It is the perfect solution. Haven't you ever regretted and wanted something removed that you did as if it never happened?
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:57 PM
 
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Biblical hell does come to a final end in Revelation 20:13-14...

However, it comes to its end by being cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death.

Also, those who were in hell will be judged according to their works, and if anyone's name is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life, they will be cast into the lake of fire.

The experience in the lake of fire is defined by Revelation 20:10.

So, it is hell and then the lake of fire for those who fail to avail themselves of the working of the Cross which alone brings to us the forgiveness of sins.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:41 AM
 
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If you only understood that it is the wickedness in you that is removed and destroyed, NOT you! It is the perfect solution. Haven't you ever regretted and wanted something removed that you did as if it never happened?
What if a person were so consumed by wickedness that the "you" part is gone, and only wickedness remains?
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Old 06-17-2022, 01:34 PM
 
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What if a person were so consumed by wickedness that the "you" part is gone, and only wickedness remains?
This is the misunderstanding about our Reality and its composition as the spacetime field (energy/mass/momentum). Nothing is destroyed or disappears that has manifested within Reality. It is just transformed. We are aware of how much of our material world transforms because we can measure it. What we cannot measure (dark energy, dark matter, consciousness) is beyond our ability to know HOW it is transformed from any particular manifestation (eg. "wickedness" in our Spirit).

But everything we have experienced and BECOME has nowhere to "go" so we know once it exists it can ONLY be transformed. As far as we can tell our brain is the only physical manifestation that can transform the consciousness form of energy that comprises us until our death and rebirth as Spirit. Then all bets are off and any dross we have not transformed (repented of) and have accumulated will be transformed then. I doubt it will be a pleasant transformation but I am equally certain it will not be eternal.
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Old 06-17-2022, 01:41 PM
 
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This is the misunderstanding about our Reality and its composition as the spacetime field (energy/mass/momentum). Nothing is destroyed or disappears that has manifested within Reality. It is just transformed. We are aware of how much of our material world transforms because we can measure it. What we cannot measure (dark energy, dark matter, consciousness) is beyond our ability to know HOW it is transformed from any particular manifestation (eg. "wickedness" in our Spirit).

But everything we have experienced and BECOME has nowhere to "go" so we know once it exists it can ONLY be transformed. As far as we can tell our brain is the only physical manifestation that can transform the consciousness form of energy that comprises us until our death and rebirth as Spirit. Then all bets are off and any dross we have not transformed (repented of) and have accumulated will be transformed then. I doubt it will be a pleasant transformation but I am equally certain it will not be eternal.
Interesting.

Begs the question;
Can that which has been created, be uncreated. Or exterminated.
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Old 06-17-2022, 02:22 PM
 
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This is the misunderstanding about our Reality and its composition as the spacetime field (energy/mass/momentum). Nothing is destroyed or disappears that has manifested within Reality. It is just transformed. We are aware of how much of our material world transforms because we can measure it. What we cannot measure (dark energy, dark matter, consciousness) is beyond our ability to know HOW it is transformed from any particular manifestation (eg. "wickedness" in our Spirit).

But everything we have experienced and BECOME has nowhere to "go" so we know once it exists it can ONLY be transformed. As far as we can tell our brain is the only physical manifestation that can transform the consciousness form of energy that comprises us until our death and rebirth as Spirit. Then all bets are off and any dross we have not transformed (repented of) and have accumulated will be transformed then. I doubt it will be a pleasant transformation but I am equally certain it will not be eternal.
If you're comfortable holding an opinion that has no basis in Scripture, the Church Fathers, Tradition, or anything else, then that's your prerogative.

I simply can't see that God would work so subjectively.
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:38 PM
 
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If you're comfortable holding an opinion that has no basis in Scripture, the Church Fathers, Tradition, or anything else, then that's your prerogative.

I simply can't see that God would work so subjectively.
How have you missed my massive use of scripture???
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Old 06-17-2022, 07:47 PM
 
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How have you missed my massive use of scripture???
I missed it too. Since when have you used any scripture to substantiate your beliefs?

You don't even believe that the whole of the Bible is the word of God!
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