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Fear does not cause one to come towards that which they fear but causes one either to flight or fight and neither of those is wisdom.
Thus if the scriptures are going to make any sense at all then they are speaking of reverential awe of God.
It is speaking of reverential awe; but it is also speaking of terror (2 Corinthians 5:11 (kjv));
Which does not motivate us to run from God, in context of the passage, but in context of the passage it motivates us to win as many people as possible that we can to Christ.
2Co 5:11, Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
It is speaking of reverential awe; but it is also speaking of terror (2 Corinthians 5:11 (kjv));
Which does not motivate us to run from God, in context of the passage, but in context of the passage it motivates us to win as many people as possible that we can to Christ.
2Co 5:11, Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
You are walking through the woods and you come upon a mad bear. Are you going to run up to it and give it a loving embrace or are you going to try and hide from it, run from it or worse case scenario fight it? Only an idiot would run to it and give it a loving embrace.
The type of fear you espouse causes either fight or flight.
You are walking through the woods and you come upon a mad bear. Are you going to run up to it and give it a loving embrace or are you going to try and hide from it, run from it or worse case scenario fight it? Only an idiot would run to it and give it a loving embrace.
The type of fear you espouse causes either fight or flight.
Change that to lion and we have a story.
Aslan, in the Chronicles of Narnia, is not a tame lion; but he is a good lion.
It is speaking of reverential awe; but it is also speaking of terror (2 Corinthians 5:11 (kjv));
Which does not motivate us to run from God, in context of the passage, but in context of the passage it motivates us to win as many people as possible that we can to Christ.
2Co 5:11, Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Terror here is speaking of reverence, thus knowing the reverence of the lord we persuade men......
It is speaking of reverential awe; but it is also speaking of terror (2 Corinthians 5:11 (kjv));
Which does not motivate us to run from God, in context of the passage, but in context of the passage it motivates us to win as many people as possible that we can to Christ.
2Co 5:11, Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
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Originally Posted by pneuma
Terror here is speaking of reverence, thus knowing the reverence of the lord we persuade men......
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Originally Posted by pcamps
Anyone who believes the KJV is more reliable than the original translations cannot be taken seriously.
To rely on the kJv or any translations made by man without taking them back to the original languages causes one to miss out on the nuances in the original languages.
His quote from the kJv here is a perfect example. The kJv says terror but when one looks that word up in the Greek for that scripture it is speaking of the reverence a wife has for her husband. It is speaking love and union and doing things asked out of love and union.
However because the kJv miss that by translating it as terror what you get instead of doing things out of love and reverence you come away with the idea that you have to do it because you are afraid not to. It would very much be like a wife who married a husband that beat her every time she did not do as he told her. can any woman reverence a husband who beats them every time she is disobedient? I think not.
Yet that is exactly what Jbf is telling everyone.
The church is the bride of Christ, think about it.
Anyone who believes the KJV is more reliable than the original translations cannot be taken seriously.
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Originally Posted by pneuma
To rely on the kJv or any translations made by man without taking them back to the original languages causes one to miss out on the nuances in the original languages.
His quote from the kJv here is a perfect example. The kJv says terror but when one looks that word up in the Greek for that scripture it is speaking of the reverence a wife has for her husband. It is speaking love and union and doing things asked out of love and union.
However because the kJv miss that by translating it as terror what you get instead of doing things out of love and reverence you come away with the idea that you have to do it because you are afraid not to. It would very much be like a wife who married a husband that beat her every time she did not do as he told her. can any woman reverence a husband who beats them every time she is disobedient? I think not.
Yet that is exactly what Jbf is telling everyone.
The church is the bride of Christ, think about it.
Nicely expressed pneuma
Whether it is KJV or the originals I think there needs to be a willingness to understand the meaning by both parties
Anyone who is more interested in only the literal/letter or in trying to prove themselves right by cut and pasting over the meaning contained within the stories can not be taken seriously in my opinion
I really admire you and pcamps for your persistence here which I lack unfortunately
I just don’t have the stamina and fortitude to continuing arguing with someone who I know is going to oppose everything I say, I prefer to stop the cycle as it is not a discussion it is an argument, I personally have never liked arguments and we all have our individual styles and areas that we work best in
To rely on the kJv or any translations made by man without taking them back to the original languages causes one to miss out on the nuances in the original languages.
His quote from the kJv here is a perfect example. The kJv says terror but when one looks that word up in the Greek for that scripture it is speaking of the reverence a wife has for her husband. It is speaking love and union and doing things asked out of love and union.
However because the kJv miss that by translating it as terror what you get instead of doing things out of love and reverence you come away with the idea that you have to do it because you are afraid not to. It would very much be like a wife who married a husband that beat her every time she did not do as he told her. can any woman reverence a husband who beats them every time she is disobedient? I think not.
Yet that is exactly what Jbf is telling everyone.
The church is the bride of Christ, think about it.
So a scripture that is often used by ministers of condemnation is actually something beautiful. They can't accept it be so, because if they do, their ministry falls apart.
So a scripture that is often used by ministers of condemnation is actually something beautiful. They can't accept it be so, because if they do, their ministry falls apart.
Correct and if the truth be told all scripture when properly understood is something beautiful.
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